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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581597 - 12/14/21 10:12 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

koods said:

They’re being assholes to themselves and everyone around them. Their behavior benefits nobody.

I thought in your world model, it was only the unvaxed that the unvaxed are being assholes to, not everyone around them. Since you koods, should beable to stand in a room full of coughing covid patients, you should not be afraid of an unvaxed person. Why so scared koods?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: trees]
#27581633 - 12/14/21 10:40 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Why would I want to be in a room full of coughing covid patients?

Seems like a really good way to get covid.

Do you understand how neutralizing immunity works? You have a fixed amount of antibodies dissolved in your bodily fluids. These antibodies attach themselves to virus if they happen to bump into them. The more virus you are exposed to, the more of these antibodies get used because they are already attached to viruses and the bigger the chance viruses will find a suitable cell to infect. Every time you get exposed to virus without getting infected, you’re using up your supply of antibodies. Antibodies are only replenished if you get infected (or get booster doses). Whether you are vaccinated or previously infected, constantly being exposed to more virus degrades your sterilizing immunity and a large enough dose of virus can overwhelm even the best acquired immunity.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581677 - 12/14/21 11:49 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

If you get covid and recover youll have some anti bodies like a fresh boostered person, and then with stimulus of small doses of covid in public spaces should trigger production of replenishing antibodies. Works for the both the vaxed and the unvaxed person who healed from infection

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

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#27581688 - 12/15/21 12:10 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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and then with stimulus of small doses of covid in public spaces should trigger production of replenishing antibodies.

If you are exposed to covid without being infected, you are depleting your antibodies. Antibodies are only produced during infection or simulated infection through vaccines, and there is a threshold level of infection before this response is activated.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

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#27581752 - 12/15/21 02:03 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

[quote]If you get covid and recover youll have some anti bodies like a fresh boostered person[/quote]

If you get covid and recover you will definitely have antibodies, but it really takes two exposures separated by a few months to have the most robust immunity. During and immediately after the first infection (or vaccine) you mature memory cells capable of producing antibodies that match exactly the antigens of the virus you were exposed to. Then over the period of months, some of those cells start mutating their amino acid sequences, anticipating future variants. The next time you are infected or get vaccinated, you start producing these mutated antibodies, which greatly helps neutralizing variants. This process absolutely requires more than one antibody producing exposure.

It’s starting to look like the delta variant is even more antigenically different from omicron than the original virus is from omicron. Data out of South Africa is showing significant reinfection rates in people who previously had a delta infection. Nobody should be relying on a previous infection to protect against omicron. You won’t get seriously ill, but you won’t have much protection against infection. A single dose of a vaccine 3 or more months after infection will boost your neutralizing immunity massively.

Vaccination after infection is even more beneficial than multiple vaccinations because the antigen diversity in natural infection is much greater than what you get with vaccines alone (lots of mutations occur during the infection process). A dose of vaccine after infection amplifies all the naturally derived antibody epitopes, not just the ones included in the vaccine.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581763 - 12/15/21 02:35 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

morrowasted said:

Jokeshopbeard said:

are you telling me you do nothing for selfish reasons?

I don't. They used to be. Now it is purely a matter of good fortune and convenience that what is best for me and what is best for other people come into alignment as frequently as they do for me.

Not trying to throw myself a parade here, but if it really blows your mind that much that many people really do expend as much or more of their effort behaving in the best interests of others rather than their own... You might just wanna take a deeper look at that. For many this is mostly thrust upon them via parenthood, but every parent makes choices

By the way, it is, by definition, selfish to act out of fear/self preservation rather than compassion. Step away from the mental gymnasium

Ok Jesus/Mother Theresa/Father Maximilian Kolbe. I'm sure your sainthood will soon be descending upon you from the heavens, and churches and shit will be named after you for your holy ability to be completely selfless.

I think you've meaning mixed with selflessness myself, but hey ho, semantics are a bitch.

I've zero fear and an absolute shit ton of compassion compared to most BTW. It just doesn't work the way you think it does (or think it should). If only you knew the time and energy I've put into helping people down on their luck in my life. There's no self preservation in my motivations whatsoever; just a desire to see (and hopefully help create) a better world than this utter shithole full of corruption and brainless morons that we live in now.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

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#27581823 - 12/15/21 03:29 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

You have no fear, so why aren’t you getting vaccinated? You know the vaccine will significantly reduce your chance of infecting other people. You may not be afraid of getting sick, but your infection wouldn’t just be about you. 800,000 people in this country are dead because they were infected by someone else. You aren’t creating a better world by refusing to be vaccinated. You are putting other people at a risk that you could significantly mitigate by spending 10 minutes getting a covid jab.

So, what is it? If you’re not in fear of your own life, you would have no fear of the vaccine itself. Is it because you don’t want to do something that to feel pressured into doing? If so, you need to remember you’re an adult and adults occasionally need to do things they don’t want to do. Do you think getting vaccinated makes you look weak? There has to be a reason you don’t care about hurting other people.

I know you aren’t stupid, and you probably are fairly aware that you are not going to be able to travel anywhere except back to the UK without being vaxxed. You’re not a US citizen. You won’t be allowed back into the US if you leave. No Canada. No Australia. If you want to return to your globetrotting ways, you’re going to have to get vaccinated. Why not just do it now before you kill someone?.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581867 - 12/15/21 05:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

koods said:

The crazy part about the antivaxxers is they are in no way acting in their own self interest. They’re being assholes to themselves and everyone around them. Their behavior benefits nobody.

Considering their very assholism is increasing their personal chance of dying, they are helping mother nature in weeding the field of humanity.

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#27581881 - 12/15/21 05:29 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

This nurse’s frustration says it all. She was unsuccessful at convincing her uncle to get vaccinated before it was too late.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581930 - 12/15/21 06:37 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Omg she has a terrible additude wtf I would fire her immediately

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#27581951 - 12/15/21 07:06 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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#27581960 - 12/15/21 07:19 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

This is pretty nuts. Neither previous infection nor two doses of vaccine are providing much protection against omicron. They don’t have boosters in South Africa, so not much data on that.

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#27581980 - 12/15/21 07:46 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

This is gonna happen really fast. We could be seeing a million infections a day by Christmas.

Omicron has exploded at Cornell. Almost 1,000 cases in the past few days. Campus is shut down. Almost all the cases are vaccinated. (All students are vaccinated)

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/14/us/cornell-university-covid-cases/index.html

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27581993 - 12/15/21 08:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

koods said:

You know the vaccine will significantly reduce your chance of infecting other people.

Will it really though? 🤔

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#27581998 - 12/15/21 08:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yup. Even if 2 doses won’t protect much against infection from omicron, people who are vaccinated have much shorter infections. It takes seven days for your body to start making antibodies after your first infection without the vaccine. It takes one day to start making antibodies if you’re vaccinated or have been infected before.

And boosters seem to provide decent protection against infection with omicron. About 75%

If you have previously been infected, getting a vaccine dose today will likely protect you from infection as well. It is very unlikely that people who were previously infected last year have any protection from omicron

Regardless, I think omicron is going to cause massive rates of infection and quickly. Thankfully it seems to be significantly less virulent, but were probably about to see practically everyone you know sick in the next few weeks.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]
#27582044 - 12/15/21 09:16 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

My hospital is slowly filling up with Covid but I doubt it's omnicron here yet, that'll certainly boost things pretty quickly. Right in time for the holidays. It'll be pretty great for everyone if it is a much milder strain though.

Oxford just released a pretty thorough study on myocarditis and vaccination vs infection. Looks like in the general population Covid infection is far more likely to cause myocarditis than vaccines, 40 cases per million compared to 10 from moderna's second dose. For people under 40 the second dose of Moderna was more likely to cause myocarditis than Covid infection was, 15 per million compared to 10 per million. Prizer was only 3 per million after the second dose, much less than either infection or Moderna.

TLDR: You probably won't get myocarditis from either, but if you're a male under 40 then 2 doses of Moderna will be slightly more of a risk than infection. When it comes to pericarditis there was only risk seen following infection, and cardiac arrhythmia is 1000x+ more likely following infection than vaccination.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

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#27582087 - 12/15/21 10:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

I am going to sell my extra antibodies to antivaxxers.

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#27582094 - 12/15/21 10:08 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

koods said:

Yup. Even if 2 doses won’t protect much against infection from omicron, people who are vaccinated have much shorter infections. It takes seven days for your body to start making antibodies after your first infection without the vaccine. It takes one day to start making antibodies if you’re vaccinated or have been infected before.

And boosters seem to provide decent protection against infection with omicron. About 75%

If you have previously been infected, getting a vaccine dose today will likely protect you from infection as well. It is very unlikely that people who were previously infected last year have any protection from omicron

Regardless, I think omicron is going to cause massive rates of infection and quickly. Thankfully it seems to be significantly less virulent, but were probably about to see practically everyone you know sick in the next few weeks.

Theres our "smallpox" right there, I'm afraid :aweman:

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#27582096 - 12/15/21 10:10 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Way to ruin Christmas guys :rolleyes:

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#27582114 - 12/15/21 10:33 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Isnt Christmas all about being safely cooped up at home while conditions are hostile outside?

This year the snow's gonna be dry ice.

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