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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

"Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning"


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
What about your freedom pride was it hurt?



Not one bit. In fact I came out on top with this one.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712

"Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning"



That looks like a very interesting article. That one definitely deserves a follow up, and I'd love to read the whole article (damn paywalls). I'm not familiar with the PULS cardiac test, but it looks like it was designed judge 5 year risk of MI based of a set of biomarkers associated with plaque rupture. The big question that I'd ask here is whether or not the biomarker elevations following vaccination actually correspond to an increased risk of MI or other vascular events over 5 years. Hopefully they speculate about it in the paper and talk about which biomarkers are elevated. I suspect a warning is fair at least. If anyone finds that full paper, post a link please.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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It’s a proprietary test developed by the doctor who wrote that article. The guy is a quack. He sells a line of Heath supplements and writes books about fad diets.

https://www.gripeo.com/dr-steven-gundry/


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/22/21 12:11 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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ahhhh. Thanks for the insight. I'm sure the dude will get a rash of shit for making claims he can't adequately support. I couldn't find much on the test when I went looking for publications, but there was a lot of self promotion. It's hard to tell what's bullshit with some of this newer proprietary stuff, especially when the public research isn't there. I found some example results from the test, and it looked like lots of the biomarkers are pretty general for inflammatory processes, but I can see how they might be useful in a screening tool. I'm not really surprised some the markers mentioned in the abstract would be elevated after vaccination, though it's kind of interesting. It does seem like a pretty big leap to connect vaccination to a significant increase in MI at 5 years without better evidence. I would love to read the paper to see how bold the guy gets with his assertions and to see if they've done anything else to support the claim. looks like the article made it through peer review as far as I can tell, so it's at least worth a read.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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As far as I can tell none of those markers are specific to the heart, they are generalized chemical signals that involve normal immune and cellular signaling. Theres no comparison of these markers to other vaccines or infection. For all w know these could indicate a perfectly normal immune response

But hey maybe I’m scared now and I think I might just order a PLUS cardiac test for $395


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/22/21 01:40 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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None of the markers that I saw in their sample results or the paper abstract are anything close to specific to the heart. I think they're all indivually associated with increased risk of acute coronary syndrome, and I'm guessing the test was originally designed to increase the sensitivity of screening for early cardiac disease by combining quantitative measures of the individual markers using fancy proprietary statistical methods. Doing that kind of thing usually means you get more false positives, so I can see why it's not a super useful thing clinically even for designed purpose.

I'd agree with your take on it for immunization though. Elevations in those markers may even be suggestive of a more robust immune response that provides better protection against infection :thumbup:. That or any other claim would need research to support it. Not sure where tripsurfer found the article, but when I googled it, it looked like antivaxers were trying to run with it as proof of harm. It may raise the possibility, but it's way far from proof. We should have some data on longer term cardiac events in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated within 5 years, and that will probably answer the question. the short term data on cardiac events in covid infection without vaccination is already damning though, so it's a moot point.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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It’s already been posted a few times over in the conspiracy forums so I got a head start on it last week


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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That author is going to be pissed if he has to retract his research over this shit. I personally don't mind some weak claims if they're a starting point for better research, but researchers need to be careful to write defensively when they publish so all these paranoid maniacs that are learning how to thoughtlessly read abstracts don't put a bad spotlight on early research.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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Quote:
ooks like the article made it through peer review as far as I can tell, so it's at least worth a read.



Yea the test is FDA approved as far as I can tell so it is predictive of heart disease to the extent required to get fda approval. But, like we’ve discovered, none of these markers are specific to the heart. Most of them are immunological markers dealing with inflammatory processes. It’s well understood that chronic inflammation is associated with heart disease but his paper only studied people up to 10 weeks after their shots. Haven’t read the paper, so I don’t know if there was a downward trend in levels over time, but I suspect there was.

Because there’s no comparison groups in this study and it didn’t investigate effects over a longer period, I don’t think you can conclude much of anything from the study. I’d like to see data six months out  and the same study conducted in people who have just recovered from covid and people who have received other vaccines. For all we know his panel of bio markers might also be a good way to test whether a vaccine is working.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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I'd honestly be surprised if those markers weren't studied in research on vaccine response, and I'm sure it's not a surprise that many of them are elevated. The author might even site other papers explaining their relevance if we had the full paper to read, but I can't find a copy online, and these antivax websites are flooding the search results with nonsense about the abstract, so I'm guessing none of them have actually read the full paper either. Kinda frustrating.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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The abstract reads like shit (IMO).

"Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac" - It's PULS and who is our group?

"from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot"  - that's quite the range, and who uses the term "shot" in academic literature?

It reads like it's been written by a Facebook PhD.  I wasn't surprised to find the author sells nutritional supplements.

Is it peer reviewed?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Guy1980] * 1
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I have a friend
A dear friend
A more than 25 years friend..

Who is an antivaxxer.
Going to rallys
Inciting people to be unprotected.

His mother is in the hospital now.
Covid.
Acutely low saturation.
:sad:

This is fucking horrible.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Good for him for staying vigilant.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
I have a friend
A dear friend
A more than 25 years friend..

Who is an antivaxxer.
Going to rallys
Inciting people to be unprotected.

His mother is in the hospital now.
Covid.
Acutely low saturation.
:sad:

This is fucking horrible.



I read stories about anti-vaxx people argueing with hospital staff while they themselves need to be hospitalized.
-Dude, you're in the fucking hospital!

The fact that people can see with their own eyes what is happening (to their body or that of their family members) is making me lose hope in humanity to some extend.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: LittleBoard]
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Nobody cares about what you have to say other than scared girls. You're a scared girl.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante] * 1
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Part of me feels like fuck it, maybe we should just give up and stop all quarantines, social distance, masking, and trying to convince people to get vaccinated. Maybe we should just let nature run its course at this point. It's not the smart thing to do, but if that's what people want, fuck it. I'm tired of fighting about it.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: nooneman]
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WHO calls special meeting to discuss new Covid variant found in South Africa with ‘a large number of mutations’


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The World Health Organization is monitoring a new variant with numerous mutations to the spike protein, scheduling a special meeting Friday to discuss what it may mean for vaccines and treatments, officials said Thursday.

The variant, called B.1.1.529, has been detected in South Africa in small numbers, according to the WHO.

“We don’t know very much about this yet. What we do know is that this variant has a large number of mutations. And the concern is that when you have so many mutations, it can have an impact on how the virus behaves,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s technical lead on Covid-19, said in a Q&A that was livestreamed on the organization’s social media channels.

The monitoring of the new variant comes as Covid cases surge around the world heading into the holiday season, with the WHO reporting hot spots in all regions and particularly in Europe.

The U.K. announced it would ban flights from six African countries, including South Africa, starting midday Friday.

The UK Health Security Agency “is investigating a new variant,” Health Secretary Sajid Javid said Thursday in a tweet announcing the travel restrictions. “More data is needed but we’re taking precautions now.”

South African scientists have detected more than 30 mutations to the spike protein, the part of the virus that binds to cells in the body, South African scientist Tulio de Oliveira said in a media briefing hosted by the South Africa Department of Health on Thursday.

The B.1.1.529 variant contains multiple mutations associated with increased antibody resistance, which may reduce the effectiveness of vaccines, along with mutations that generally make it more contagious, according to slides he presented at the briefing. Other mutations in the new variant haven’t been seen until now, so scientists don’t yet know whether they are significant or will change how the virus behaves, according to the presentation.

The variant has spread rapidly through the Gauteng province, which contains the country’s largest city of Johannesburg.

“Especially when the spike happens in Gauteng, everybody travels in and out of Gauteng from all corners of South Africa. So it’s a given that in the next few days, the beginning of rising positivity rate and numbers is going to be happening. It’s a matter of days and weeks before we see that,” South Africa Minister of Health Joe Phaahla said during the briefing.

The variant has also been detected in Botswana and Hong Kong, Phaahla said.

“Right now, researchers are getting together to understand where these mutations are in the spike protein and the furin cleavage site, and what that potentially may mean for our diagnostics or therapeutics and our vaccines,” Van Kerkhove said. She said there are fewer than 100 full genome sequences of the new mutation.

The virus evolution working group will decide if B.1.1.529 will become a variant of interest or a variant of concern, after which the WHO would assign the variant a Greek name, Van Kerkhove said.

“It’s really important that there are no knee-jerk responses here, especially with relation to South Africa,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s emergencies program, said.




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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Whats everyones views on masks in the current month and day of the year 2021?

So this site beat it into my mind early 2020 to enjoy wearing a mask, and I did

Then I got vaxed, second shot in June, but couldnt ditch the mask, still required everywhere in my town

So im in Toronto this weekend, I went to a thing where like no one was wearing a mask, so when in rome, I ripped mine off

On the way back from the meeting, the heat was on, on the bus, I had my sweater and mask on, and I was super uncomfortable, I wanted to rip my mask off, but everyone was wearing theres, so I didnt

And nows theres that new african varient with the modified spike protien


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: gopher]
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Stopped wearing it last summer after getting the J&J in April. Started wearing it again when we got another wave. Just got a Moderna booster 2 weeks ago. 2 more weeks and I'll probably stop wearing mine, again.

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