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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis
    #275188 - 03/20/01 06:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".

Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms. Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.

The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #275842 - 03/21/01 07:31 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I agree that is it hard to get out of control on LSD, but with mushrooms, specially if used often, it can cause breif 'sessions' of chaos, where you sort of go in hell as far as I know it. It doesn't last very long for me and I feel different afterwards.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #279753 - 03/27/01 03:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I noticed that its easyier for me to "feel like I'm goin crazy" than on acid... shrooms are just crazier and effect me more than acid.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #279874 - 03/27/01 10:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I have more experience with LSD than mushrooms, so I'm uncertain about the "control" issue. I think a big part of this is that most of us posters have access to high quality mushrooms (and excellent amounts of doses, too :-), whereas getting a heavy LSD trip, even at $4 a hit can still cost you $20 (even more). I once had an LSD trip with full blown hallucinations. Never did I loose control and do something absolutely insane, but I was definately not in touch with reality (my thoughts were delusional, to the point of nearly becoming psychotic). With mushrooms I've not hit that level yet, so I'm uncertain. IMO, psylocybe mushrooms and LSD are remarkably similar in effect and experience, and the mental "psychosis" on experiences is almost completely the same, except on mushrooms I feel less sense of thematic continuity (on LSD my trips seem to be like a long story unfolding infront of my senses, on mushrooms I just become a bundle of changing sensory perceptions). I think the rates for psychotic episodes from LSD and mushrooms would be remarkably similar (hence my posting the data)...but like I said, I don't have quite enough personal experience to make that judgement.

Quite frankly, I'd imagine it just as easy to loose control on LSD than as on mushrooms. Both are psychedelic drugs.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #12947012 - 07/24/10 08:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree that is it hard to get out of control on LSD, but with mushrooms, specially if used often, it can cause breif 'sessions' of chaos, where you sort of go in hell as far as I know it. It doesn't last very long for me and I feel different afterwards.<br><br>





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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #12947117 - 07/24/10 09:19 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".
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<br>Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms.  Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.
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<br>The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.<br><br>





your numbers dont sound correct at all. i personally know atleast 10 people who perma fried so to speak and are in a permanent state of psychosis all induced from lsd and mushrooms. i dont even know that many trippers and yet i know a handfull of people with hppd. it isnt safe to do psychedelics for everyone.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #12947131 - 07/24/10 09:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

......Or do them like smoking pot, drinking or even opiates. Overuse is a big factor in the number of HPPD cases.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #12947187 - 07/24/10 09:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".
Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms.  Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.
The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.




That's called having a "mental breakdown" with the drug being a catalyst to the brain, not a source of psychosis. Underlying sober psychosis fucks these people, the psychedelic experience normally is nothing like psychosis... trust me, i've been in both situations haha. besides, psychedelics (especially LSD) were tested for their psychotomimetic (psychotic-like) properties but were found to not be similar enough to the schizophrenic experience to be of useful value in psychiatrists trying to understand their patients.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: silosighbin]
    #12947252 - 07/24/10 09:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

THIS THREAD IS NINE YEARAS OLD :omgz:

And lol at mushrooms and psychosis. Just because you see pretty colors doesn't mean you're having a "psychotic episode". I've never heard of anyone who has legitimately tripped for days off a single dose of something. (Except for like DOB overdose, 2ce-5eto, datura, etc.)


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12947325 - 07/24/10 10:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Freedom]
    #12947376 - 07/24/10 10:19 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12951099 - 07/25/10 05:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Freedom said:
people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.



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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.





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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12951189 - 07/25/10 06:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Freedom said:
people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.






I know people who had psychotic breaks in the 60's from LSD who are now healthy people without mental disorders. There are plenty of people on the shroomery who had psychedelic triggered psychosis who have not gone on to develop schizophrenia.

This is something that has not been studied, we only have the random stories that we've heard through the grape vine to inform us about what is going on. I think your certainty about this is more a product of your desire for these things to be safe than from a rational analysis of the situation.

The thing is we don't have very good psychological or neurological explanations for psychosis or for the action of psychedelic drugs, so how can anyone have a complete and conclusive explanation for the link between them?


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