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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis * 1
    #275188 - 03/20/01 06:53 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".

Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms. Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.

The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #275842 - 03/21/01 07:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I agree that is it hard to get out of control on LSD, but with mushrooms, specially if used often, it can cause breif 'sessions' of chaos, where you sort of go in hell as far as I know it. It doesn't last very long for me and I feel different afterwards.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #279753 - 03/27/01 03:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I noticed that its easyier for me to "feel like I'm goin crazy" than on acid... shrooms are just crazier and effect me more than acid.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #279874 - 03/27/01 10:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I have more experience with LSD than mushrooms, so I'm uncertain about the "control" issue. I think a big part of this is that most of us posters have access to high quality mushrooms (and excellent amounts of doses, too :-), whereas getting a heavy LSD trip, even at $4 a hit can still cost you $20 (even more). I once had an LSD trip with full blown hallucinations. Never did I loose control and do something absolutely insane, but I was definately not in touch with reality (my thoughts were delusional, to the point of nearly becoming psychotic). With mushrooms I've not hit that level yet, so I'm uncertain. IMO, psylocybe mushrooms and LSD are remarkably similar in effect and experience, and the mental "psychosis" on experiences is almost completely the same, except on mushrooms I feel less sense of thematic continuity (on LSD my trips seem to be like a long story unfolding infront of my senses, on mushrooms I just become a bundle of changing sensory perceptions). I think the rates for psychotic episodes from LSD and mushrooms would be remarkably similar (hence my posting the data)...but like I said, I don't have quite enough personal experience to make that judgement.

Quite frankly, I'd imagine it just as easy to loose control on LSD than as on mushrooms. Both are psychedelic drugs.



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: MrTechnoShaman]
    #12947012 - 07/24/10 08:47 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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I agree that is it hard to get out of control on LSD, but with mushrooms, specially if used often, it can cause breif 'sessions' of chaos, where you sort of go in hell as far as I know it. It doesn't last very long for me and I feel different afterwards.<br><br>





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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #12947117 - 07/24/10 09:19 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".
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<br>Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms.  Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.
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<br>The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.<br><br>





your numbers dont sound correct at all. i personally know atleast 10 people who perma fried so to speak and are in a permanent state of psychosis all induced from lsd and mushrooms. i dont even know that many trippers and yet i know a handfull of people with hppd. it isnt safe to do psychedelics for everyone.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
    #12947131 - 07/24/10 09:25 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

......Or do them like smoking pot, drinking or even opiates. Overuse is a big factor in the number of HPPD cases.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Kid]
    #12947187 - 07/24/10 09:42 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Hallucinogenic "trips" are usually considered "hallucinatory psychosis".
Yes, you can have a psychotic episode from pslicybe mushrooms.  Sometimes these episodes can last upto 24 hours.
The rate of this occuring on LSD, I think, is something like 1 in 5000 users.




That's called having a "mental breakdown" with the drug being a catalyst to the brain, not a source of psychosis. Underlying sober psychosis fucks these people, the psychedelic experience normally is nothing like psychosis... trust me, i've been in both situations haha. besides, psychedelics (especially LSD) were tested for their psychotomimetic (psychotic-like) properties but were found to not be similar enough to the schizophrenic experience to be of useful value in psychiatrists trying to understand their patients.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: silosighbin]
    #12947252 - 07/24/10 09:54 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

THIS THREAD IS NINE YEARAS OLD :omgz:

And lol at mushrooms and psychosis. Just because you see pretty colors doesn't mean you're having a "psychotic episode". I've never heard of anyone who has legitimately tripped for days off a single dose of something. (Except for like DOB overdose, 2ce-5eto, datura, etc.)


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12947325 - 07/24/10 10:11 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Freedom]
    #12947376 - 07/24/10 10:19 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12951099 - 07/25/10 05:49 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.



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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.





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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #12951189 - 07/25/10 06:07 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

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people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.






I know people who had psychotic breaks in the 60's from LSD who are now healthy people without mental disorders. There are plenty of people on the shroomery who had psychedelic triggered psychosis who have not gone on to develop schizophrenia.

This is something that has not been studied, we only have the random stories that we've heard through the grape vine to inform us about what is going on. I think your certainty about this is more a product of your desire for these things to be safe than from a rational analysis of the situation.

The thing is we don't have very good psychological or neurological explanations for psychosis or for the action of psychedelic drugs, so how can anyone have a complete and conclusive explanation for the link between them?


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: nooneman]
    #27211136 - 02/17/21 02:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Freedom said:
people aren't talking about tripping for days, they are talking about psychosis.

you haven't read enough posts here if you don't think these drugs can trigger psychosis or psychotic episodes.



They can trigger it for people who are predisposed to schizophrenia. That's about it, for everyone else, the effects wear off in a normal time range, even for heroic doses. Some people even debate that HPPD doesn't even exist, and I tend to agree with them. Freaking out during the trip is not the same as having a psychotic break.

I've read enough posts to know that most of this talk about psychotic breaks (especially with mushrooms) is bullshit, unless you're talking about someone predisposed to schizophrenia specifically. Now, if you're talking about someone on a month long binge, then sure, maybe some damage can be done, but I'm talking about a single dose.




I beg to differ. Generally true, but irresponsible chronic use can lead to the same in people who otherwise have no predisposition to psychosis. Someone I know well - really well - tripped a lot in high school and then continued in college. He had a most amazing high dose experience second semester, with verifiable telepathy and more, but also developed a delusion about the world ending imminently and everyone knew it. He was under some stress as his father was dying and he was away from home.  The full force of the delusion did wear off when he came down, but elements of it and the doubt persisted for several months. He did not trip for a few months and has refrained from irresponsibly tripping several times a week that involved higher and higher doses to work. He did trip the next year and thereafeter with no problems. Its been 40 years since then. Note also, that he received much benefit from other aspects of that trip.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Neurotech]
    #27211212 - 02/17/21 03:00 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Wow 19 year old thread! Hats off to you for replying man, but I doubt you'll get a response.

Think this is the oldest necropost I've seen, someone get this dude some sort of award.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: herbie]
    #27211246 - 02/17/21 03:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Still relevant topic.:grin:


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #27211338 - 02/17/21 04:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Oh it most definitely is... especially in current times on this particular forum.

I'm just massively impressed at the age of this thread! I even rated neurotech +5 for the epic resurrection. There was no sarcasm intended, I genuinely believe he deserves some sort of award.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: herbie]
    #27212272 - 02/18/21 02:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I relatively recently had a pretty serious and public-facing freakout on 7g of shrooms, which I'd say felt like the closest one could get to a psychotic break without it persisting into day-to-day life afterwards, and was certainly far beyond total delirium in the moment. Lucky to come out of that one unscathed by my actions, and certainly knocked a bit of sense into how I set myself up for trips...


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: quillip]
    #27213395 - 02/18/21 06:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I relatively recently had a pretty serious and public-facing freakout on 7g of shrooms, which I'd say felt like the closest one could get to a psychotic break without it persisting into day-to-day life afterwards, and was certainly far beyond total delirium in the moment. Lucky to come out of that one unscathed by my actions, and certainly knocked a bit of sense into how I set myself up for trips...



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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: feevers]
    #27214680 - 02/19/21 12:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

As one might feel in the ER in this situation, embarassed and disappointed in myself for wasting healthcare resources in a pandemic. Paranoid about potential consequences as well. Couldn't sleep properly for about a week and a half afterwards due to nightmares as well.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: quillip]
    #27218896 - 02/21/21 07:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Either/or it's simple to think you've gone crazy on LSD and really believe it.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: lostintimenspc]
    #27219617 - 02/22/21 08:20 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Had once hard trip it was 2.5g of cubensis, but it all was so unreal and strange, I was totaly blown away...and after that trip felt like world is not real about a month or so... So I think then it hits hard you just beleave in some ilusion you see or think of... Was sober and it all went away , after that experience I had no such trip, all is good. So I think you need to be mentally strong, dont let youre self be lost.


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Re: Psilocybe Mushrooms and psychosis [Re: Ras_Irie]
    #27220468 - 02/22/21 05:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Had once hard trip it was 2.5g of cubensis, but it all was so unreal and strange, I was totaly blown away...and after that trip felt like world is not real about a month or so... So I think then it hits hard you just beleave in some ilusion you see or think of... Was sober and it all went away , after that experience I had no such trip, all is good. So I think you need to be mentally strong, dont let youre self be lost.




I've had that happen too.  I suspect it's pretty common, and if you have some underlying mental instabilities they could easily get let out to fill the void.


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