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Genetic Backgrounds * 3
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Hey everyone! I run a group called Cubensis Genetic Library on facebook and am hoping to dig up some hard to find or unknown to me genetic backgrounds for strains. I will make a post comment under this one that I will edit as I go. Please feel free to comment additional strains that I should add. I will post both isolations/mutations and crosses. As long as it is a publicly released strain and should be properly stabilized. The exception to the stabilization part is cultures with no spores such as Enigma.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes] * 1
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***Non Blob***

AA+ (Albino A+) **Not true albino** - A+

ACRS (Albino Columbian Rust Spore) - Columbian Rust Spore

Albino Chocolate Krinkle - Chocolate Krinkle

Albino Chodewave - Chodewave

Albino Crooked Mystery - Crooked Mystery

Albino Gumby - Gumby

Albino Hawkeye PE - Hawkeye PE

Albino KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - KSC

Albino KSSS (Koh Samui Super Strain) - KSSS

Albino Leng - Leng

Albino Louisiana - Wild (Louisiana)

Albino Odisha Squats - Odisha Squats

Albino Normak - Normak

Alice - AA+

AMak (Albino Melmak TP) - Melmak TP

AMD (Albino Monkey Dick) - APE

AMVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

APE - Albino PF x SWPE

APEU (Albino Penis Envy Uncut) - PEU

ART (Albino Riptide) - Riptide

Aurora APE - APE

Averys Albino - Wild (Cambodian)

Black #1 - APE

Blue Catterpuller PE (Penis Envy) - SWPE

Blue J - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue Magnolia - Wild (Mississippi)

Blue Meanie - Wild (Australia)

Blue Moon - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

B Squared - El Choco

Chocolate Krinkle - El Choco x Mr Krinkle

Chock Rojo - Wild (Mexico) **Red Spore**

Choda - Melmak TP

Chodewave - Tidalwave x APE

Chodewave Squats - Chodewave

Clockwork Orange - Clockwork TAT

Clockwork TAT - TAT

ChocoTAT - El Choco x TAT

Chupacabra - Wild (Mexico) **Red Spore**

Columbian White - CRS Long Legs

DC Mak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Deep-End - Yeti 2.0

El Blanco - El Choco

El Choco - B+

Efroot - Enigma

Emerald Gates - Pearly Gates x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

End Game - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Eyelike - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

Falbino - Albino PF x F+

F+ - Wild (Florida)

Gandalf - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Ghost - TAT

Golden Teacher - Wild (Florida)

GoldyMak - Melmak TP

Gollum - Golden Teacher

Ground Zero - Choda x Leng

GTA (Golden Teacher Albino) - Golden Teacher

Gumby - Melmak TP

Harlequin - TBC

Hawkeye PE (Penis Envy) - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Hillbilly - Wild (Arkansas)

Homestead PE (Melmak OG) - PE

Jack Frost - TAT x APE

JikGan - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Jorm - Yeti

KAPE - KSSS Squats x APE

KSAT (Koh Samui Albino Teachers) - KSSS Squats x TAT

KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - Wild (Hua Thanon, Koh Samui, Thailand)

KSSS (Koh Samui Super Strain) - KSC

KSSS Squats (Koh Samui Super Strain Squats) - KSSS

LAPE (Long APE) - APE

Leng - Golden Teacher

Leucistic Golden Teacher - Golden Teacher

Lightwave - AA+ x Tidalwave

Lizard King - Wild (Atlanta, Georgia, USA)

Lonely Boy - Crooked Mystery

LPEU (Leucistic Penis Envy Uncut) - PEU

Loaves - Tidalwave x APE

Magnus - TAT

Mak Lite - Melmak TP

Maria Sabina - Huautla

Melmak Reverts - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Melmak TP - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Moloko - Clockwork Orange

Mr Krinkle - Golden Teacher

MVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Nanook - Yeti x Crooked Mystery

Normak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

NST (Not So TAT) - TAT

Nutcracker - Yeti

Omni Ogre Club - Omni

PE - Wild (Amazonian)

Peng - AMVP x Leng

Pearly Gates - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

PEU (Penis Envy Uncut) - PF Albino x SWPE

PESA (Pacifica Exotica Spora Amazonian) - Wild (Amazonian)

PE6 (Penis Envy #6) - Wild (Texas) x SWPE

PE+ - SWPE x B+

PF Albino (Albino Psilocybe Finaticus) - PF Classic

PF Redspore - PF Classic

Phobos - Mars

Ragnorok - Yeti x Crooked Mystery

Riptide - TAT x Tidalwave

Roger Rabbit - TAT

Ronbino - Wild (Cambodian)

RustyWhyte - AA+ x CRS

Scylla - Tidalwave x APE

Shakti - Wild (Malabar)

SquatKnots - Melmak Reverts

SSU (Sunny Side Up) - APE

Starry Night - APE

SWPE (SporeWorks Penis Envy) - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

SWPE Gold - SWPE

TAT (True Albino Teacher) - Golden Teacher

TAT X1 - Golden Teacher

TAT Roughnecks - Golden Teacher

TBC (TAT Black Cap) - Ghost

Tidalwave - B+ x SWPE

Wampa - Jedi Mind Fuck x Yeti

White Teacher - Golden Teacher x APE

Whyte Gold - RustyWhyte x Golden Halo

XXX - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Yeti - TAT

Yeti 2.0 - Yeti

Ymir - Golden Teacher

Zombie KSSS - KSSS Squats

***Blobs***

CKB (Chocolate Krinkle Brains) - Chocolate Krinkle

Enigma - B+xPE

MAPE - APE

Marvel - APE

N4N - APE

Omni - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Pneuma - B+

Puerto Freaken - Puerto Rican

Stormtripper - Jedi Mind Fuck

TATTOO - GTA

Edited by MycoCakes (05/19/22 04:00 PM)

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes] * 1
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Is this just a list or varieties, or something like a genealogical tree derived from comparative genomics? I'm several orders of magnitude more interested in one than the other.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard] * 2
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Comparative genomics could be interesting, but it would be very expensive for anyone doing this as a hobby. Whole genome sequencing is around $1,000 - $1,500 per sample, and that's assuming you can do all the bioinformatics analysis yourself. Add at least another $5k on top of that if you can't.

My gut feeling is that there's a little too much hype around mushroom "genetics" and "strains" right now. Maybe because the grey market mushroom dispensaries that have been popping up online have been marketing things the same way cannabis dispensaries do. People like to have options.

With some notable exceptions like enigma, PE, and leucistic/albino varieties, I'd be surprised if many people could tell most varieties apart in a blind test.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Syncrip] * 2
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Woah, that's so expensive! I threw the comparative genomics guess because one time I looked up how much it costs to get a sequence at my local university. I wanted to play around with the data and compare it to online samples. They charge like 2 dollars for a DNA sequence. Do you think it's so cheap because they give the samples to research assistants (students) to process, or are they just entirely different procedures?
Honestly, if someone gathered a bunch of mushroom sequences, I'd take a crack at figuring out the bioinformatics algorithms. I've never done it before, but I'm sure I could do it. It should basically just be a variation of the longest common subsequence problem, which is used in version control systems.

And yeah, I was just telling another guy how annoying I find all this talk about "strains".

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard] * 7
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Aside from the PE stuff the "strain" shit is annoying. The mushroom has enough magic already in it, there is no need to dazzle it up any more. Just gilding the lily at this point.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard] * 1
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InsultingLizard said:
Do you think it's so cheap because they give the samples to research assistants (students) to process, or are they just entirely different procedures?



Different procedures.

The quote you got is probably for Sanger sequencing, which is cheap but only gives you a single DNA sequence that is something like 500 base pairs long. It's used for DNA barcoding, which would be able to tell you the species, but I'm not sure if different "strains" would be sufficiently different enough at that specific genomic location for you to reliably tell them apart.

Whole genome sequencing is done with Next Generation Sequencing technology rather than Sanger. You get hundreds of millions of individual sequences back, which together cover the entire genome rather than one specific region.

There's published whole genome sequencing data out there for Psilocybe cubensis and Panaeolus cyanescens if you really wanted to try to learn how to play around with it.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Syncrip] * 1
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Goldem teacher "wild find" sounds especially rare.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Syncrip] * 1
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Gotcha. My background is CS, not biology, so I had no idea.
Yeah, I found those reference Psilocybe sequences, but in the end I didn't really do anything with it.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard] * 2
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InsultingLizard said:
Is this just a list or varieties, or something like a genealogical tree derived from comparative genomics? I'm several orders of magnitude more interested in one than the other.


I would love to a Cubensis family tree. Would be interesting af.

OP, I requested to join the group on FB.
Here’s the link if anyone else wants to check it out. I’m keen to see what they’re doing in there.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/177014107690299?group_view_referrer=search

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Biskop] * 1
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Interesting.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Nichrome] * 2
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I’ve never seen anything about Avery’s being related to GT.


A few posts from way back said it was an albino Cambodian.



It’ll take a ton of research to find evidence to verify a lot of these.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes] * 1
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MycoCakes said:
Authentic PE (Penis Envy) - Amazonian

TAT (True Albino Teacher) - Golden Teacher

Golden Teacher - Wild find (Florida)

Yeti - TAT

Ghost - TAT

TBC (TAT Black Cap) - Ghost

Gandalf - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

MVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

AMVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue Moon - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue J - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

JikGan - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

XXX - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

End Game - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

APE - Albino PF x SWPE

SWPE (SporeWorks Penis Envy) - Authentic PE

Homestead PE (Penis Envy) (Melmak OG) - Authentic PE

Melmak TP - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Eyelike - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

Pearly Gates - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

Starry Night - APE

AMak - Melmak TP

Normak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Enigma - B+xPE

Tidalwave - B+ x SWPE

Aurora APE - APE

Omni - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Averys Albino - Golden Teacher

KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - Wild find (Hua Thanon, Koh Samui, Thailand)

KSSS (Koh Samui Super Strain) - KSC

KSSS Squats (Koh Samui Super Strain Squats) - KSSS

KSAT (Koh Samui Albino Teachers) - KSSS Squats x TAT

El Choco - B+

Jack Frost - TAT x APE

Lightwave - AA+ x Tidalwave

Shakti - Malabar

Mr Krinkle - Golden Teacher

Chocolate Krinkle - El Choco x Mr Krinkle

Scylla - Tidalwave x APE

DC Mak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Albino PF (Albino Psilocybe Finaticus) - PF Classic

MAPE - APE

Chocolate Krinkle Brains - Chocolate Krinkle

PESA (Pacifica Exotica Spora Amazonian) - Amazonian

AA+ (Albino A+) **Not true albino** - A+

Alice - AA+

Roger Rabbit - TAT

Riptide - TAT x Tidalwave

Nutcracker - Yeti

Chodewave - Tidalwave x APE

Albino Chodewave - Chodewave

Chodewave Squats - Chodewave

Stormtripper - Jedi Mind Fuck

Harlequin - TBC

Choda - Melmak TP

N4N - APE

White Teacher - Golden Teacher

Gumby - Melmak TP

Albino Gumby - Gumby

Leucistic Golden Teacher - Golden Teacher

Efroot - Enigma

Omni Ogre Club - Omni

PE6 (Penis Envy #6) - Texas x SWPE

Hawkeye PE (Penis Envy) - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue Catterpuller PE (Penis Envy) - SWPE

Whyte Gold - RustyWhyte x Golden Halo

PE+ - SWPE x B+

NST - TAT

ACRS (Albino Columbian Rust Spore) - Columbian Rust Spore

Albino KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - KSC

Loaves - Tidalwave x APE


Really cool list! where, in general, can you find these? Does anyone have starry night or knows where to find a swab? Thanks!


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: odissey] * 1
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Great list, good work. Odissey, I hope this brings you a step closer to finding what you desire!


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Guerrilla] * 1
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Guerrilla said:
Great list, good work. Odissey, I hope this brings you a step closer to finding what you desire!


Hopefully!


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: A.k.a] * 1
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Its not. I just messed up that one. Update has the proper genetic background
A.k.a said:
I’ve never seen anything about Avery’s being related to GT.


A few posts from way back said it was an albino Cambodian.



It’ll take a ton of research to find evidence to verify a lot of these.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes] * 1
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This is rad! I know a cube is a cube as far as consumption goes but for the varieties are really aesthetically pleasing for the grower :biggrin:

My only input is I believe white teacher is GT x PE

Also had never heard of homestead pe before vs the SWPE very interesting

Also DC Mak also has some genetics you might add to this list


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Tri] * 1
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ESS is PE x KSSS (I'm not sure which lineage of either varieties were used for the cross, but that's what it is)

Just wanted to add that to the list so I could provide something useful instead of saying  :threadmonitor:


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl] * 1
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I have a spot for PR in my heart, love them.
Would love to see the blob PR.

Years ago I had a pr isolate that would produce PE like dicks with blue veiled chokers that sent you into a different dimensions.

I'm searching for them again.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: DERRAYLD] * 3
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I agree with the notion that a little too much is going into strain hype. Not saying there is nothing to the different varieties but perhaps some are being oversold. I don’t want to cast shade but I think some of these are less of distinct variants and just a group of one variant that produced a range of phenotypes due to ms. However that’s just my opinion. If people know better please share the reasons why. I’m open to hearing them.

I like how RW is referenced as a parent to a cross on this list but isn’t considered a cross on its own. It was for the record AA+ and Colombian Rust Spore.


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