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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: nooneman]
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nooneman said:
Apparently the new Mu variant of concern may be able to escape both vaccination and resistance as a result of previous covid exposure.

Meaning both people who are vaccinated and those who previously caught covid would still be able to get it (and would have zero resistance to it). Not a lot of data yet, but scary to hear that at all. Looks like this pandemic might get even worse.


I hope that doesn't turn out to be how things play out

I had heard about ADE and had been unable to find studies or data demonstrating the covid vaccine had risks of it.

Maybe I just can't find it, not sure if other people have found it

Saw a video going over a study and it mentioned the delta variant showed signs of demonstrating ADE with the vaccine. Didn't see the actual study or links to it

It was a rhetoric question Fiery. My message was something along the lines of we are all human and just human. Someone already mentioned how horrible things can come from the best intentions. Usually from presuming to know or believe you have some superiority or superior knowledge making you better fit to rule the world to your liking


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
@guess work

Well I disagree that I'm doing what your claiming.

I have an associate degree from a community college and a bachelor's degree from a university, both in psychology. Spent 6 years in college

Most of my time spent here has been trying to understand and construct a reference point as pro vax, I've mentioned that before.




Cool. knowing a bit about your educational background helps.

You mentioned your intentions, but I haven't seen you follow through with them. If you're doing what you believe you're doing, here and elsewhere, then it shouldn't be hard to make a compelling argument for a pro-vaccination reference point. Usually the antivaxer reference points are heavily weighted by intense emotions and distrust. They don't focus on proving anything, and instead they focus entirely on sowing doubt and rationalizing distrust. They more or less confound the problem space to make it overwhelming difficult to prove anything, and thus act as a deterrent to reaching a decision rather than a tool to rationally justify an outcome. pro-vax reference points are generally focused either on trust in the authority and expertise of government (a questionable thing, but better than nothing most of the time), and/or on trust in a personal ability to understand and use claims made by the scientific community. The pro-vax reference point is mostly focused on providing justification for it's risk/benefit/cost assertions, and those justifications are well developed and widely published at this point. If you want to construct a pro-vax reference point, then you need to try to build an argument that focuses on proving a positive and then afterwards try to refute it with valid claims/arguments to see if the idea holds up to criticism. You can not criticize what doesn't exist.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 5
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This will be my final post on Covid. I just wanted to point something out:




Some of you people on this board should honestly be fucking ashamed of yourselves. You people are losing your humanity in your judgement and condemnation of others, judgement and condemnation which, quite frankly, comes from a place of complete arrogance.

You laugh when the unvaccinated die but then ignore all the cases of vaccinated people dying. You single out cases of unvaccinated people dying but then ignore the thousands who get Covid and then are absolutely fine afterwards. You ignore the scientific studies which show that natural immunity is superior to the vaccines. It's mindboggling.

The hypocritical toxicity is honestly getting so bad that I don't think I can stand this place anymore. No one wants to listen to eachother. It's all about getting that dopamine hit of smug superiority instead. As if you're better than someone else because they made a different choice - a highly personal choice - from you.

Absolutely disgusting. And I know the media has played a big part in this, but you're all still responsible for how you choose to view and treat others.

And I'm not even against getting the vaccine. I'm planning on getting it later this year. But come on. The bullshit some of you people spew is getting out of hand. Blindly believing any narrative you're fed, even when that narrative is driven by dollar signs. Jesus christ. Like you people forgot how to think for yourselves. It's just saddening, and quite disappointing.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: chopstick] * 4
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You laugh when the unvaccinated die but then ignore all the cases of vaccinated people dying.


Almost nobody is dying from the vaccine. Your fear mongering results in people dying needlessly. Glad that is your last covid post. Now you can focus on the other things you lie about.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (09/02/21 01:11 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
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OutsideOfMyMind said:
Well if I were a statistician and if I had access to the PCR test and all of the technology inside of it, I would be able to give you a quantifiable answer wouldn't i?

But none of us have access to it.


Did you figure it out yet? I’ll give you a hint: you don’t need any of that. You just need to read more carefully.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: chopstick] * 2
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chopstick said:
This will be my final post on Covid. I just wanted to point something out:




Some of you people on this board should honestly be fucking ashamed of yourselves. You people are losing your humanity in your judgement and condemnation of others, judgement and condemnation which, quite frankly, comes from a place of complete arrogance.

You laugh when the unvaccinated die but then ignore all the cases of vaccinated people dying. You single out cases of unvaccinated people dying but then ignore the thousands who get Covid and then are absolutely fine afterwards. You ignore the scientific studies which show that natural immunity is superior to the vaccines. It's mindboggling.

The hypocritical toxicity is honestly getting so bad that I don't think I can stand this place anymore. No one wants to listen to eachother. It's all about getting that dopamine hit of smug superiority instead. As if you're better than someone else because they made a different choice - a highly personal choice - from you.

Absolutely disgusting. And I know the media has played a big part in this, but you're all still responsible for how you choose to view and treat others.

And I'm not even against getting the vaccine. I'm planning on getting it later this year. But come on. The bullshit some of you people spew is getting out of hand. Blindly believing any narrative you're fed, even when that narrative is driven by dollar signs. Jesus christ. Like you people forgot how to think for yourselves. It's just saddening, and quite disappointing.


You've missed the posts of anti-vaxxers on hear saying things like they'll laugh when us vaccinated sheep get hit with these mystical "long term side effects"? You posting that pic is the exact "us vs them" thing you're complaining about. Gotta love that the source of the img is a forum where you get banned if you are not a "serious supporter of president trump".

Your post has a lot of strawmen in it. No one ignores the fact that vaccinated people can die, every post I've seen says something along the lines of "almost all people dying are unvaccinated", which is just objective reality. The article on natural immunity vs vaccine immunity was already posted and discussed... feel free to post your reasoning why chancing an infection is worth the difference statistically. No one is hiding the fact that most people who get COVID don't have severe cases, it's been close to 2 years now and we're all aware of the statistics.

The people who seem to get the most angry in this thread are the ones who come in with some misinformation or conspiracy theory, get proven wrong with actual data, then melt and end up getting thread banned or giving up. It's pretty sad when people are beginning to consider facts as personal attacks against them.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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The truth is politicized.

Still, he made a good closing post.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
OutsideOfMyMind said:
Well if I were a statistician and if I had access to the PCR test and all of the technology inside of it, I would be able to give you a quantifiable answer wouldn't i?

But none of us have access to it.


Did you figure it out yet? I’ll give you a hint: you don’t need any of that. You just need to read more carefully.


He probably can't take a hint, but he'll need a heavy handed one if he has any hope of succeeding. google "covid pcr test sensitivity and specificity" and read the first sentence. It should take you less than 10 seconds.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
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https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9

Found this interesting.

So I've also noticed there seems to be this debate between and among dems and Republicans and I find that very interesting.

I hadn't even known about it but apparently it seems like blue is for vax and red is for antivax?

Very interesting that this has become a political matter or now seems to involve this divide between red and blue.

Wonder why.

Frightening things going on in the world. As a kid I never thought I would grown up to discover this world is so wild

@guess, no I do agree there is a case for the vax. I think I've mentioned that. I've states there are good points, facts, and data


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Edited by Enkidu (09/02/21 04:27 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Mr.GuessWork] * 1
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Spike protein damaging vacinated peoples hearts.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2021/august/covid-19-spike-protein-binds-to-and-changes-cells-in-the-heart


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Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
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Very interesting that this has become a political matter or now seems to involve this divide between red and blue.

Wonder why.



Why? Because at the start of all this, trump told a crowd at a rally "Blah di blah Covid  Democrat Hoax" (paraphrasing, but that's certainly what his supporters heard.) Red state folks have taken that premise and ran with it ever since.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: budmanman] * 2
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budmanman said:
Spike protein damaging vacinated peoples hearts.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2021/august/covid-19-spike-protein-binds-to-and-changes-cells-in-the-heart


Weird how your source there doesn't mention vaccines at all.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9

Found this interesting.



Seems more like a turf war more so than anything to do with the science. Still dumb that people at this level in government agencies can't get on the same page about something so important though

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
budmanman said:
Spike protein damaging vacinated peoples hearts.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2021/august/covid-19-spike-protein-binds-to-and-changes-cells-in-the-heart


Weird how your source there doesn't mention vaccines at all.


He's just HamHead'ing

Want to convince people the vaccine is bad? Post about one of the many ways Covid can fuck your heart up.

The live virus can invade cells through membrane fusion when the spike protein latches onto a cell, the proteins from the vaccine don't have the ability to fuse with other cells. The vaccine can cause inflammation and myocarditis (usually temporary) but on a scale exponentially less than the virus itself.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
Enkidu said:
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Very interesting that this has become a political matter or now seems to involve this divide between red and blue.

Wonder why.



Why? Because at the start of all this, trump told a crowd at a rally "Blah di blah Covid  Democrat Hoax" (paraphrasing, but that's certainly what his supporters heard.) Red state folks have taken that premise and ran with it ever since.


Guess if I didn't ignore the media and the news I might know that.

Didn't know he said that.

I don't own a TV. And unusually just ignore what's going on in the world since I have my own more direct issues to address and can't really spend the time on things like that

I should pay more attention to what's going on in the world.

The more I do though the more fear and worry I have for the future. Doesn't always do much good when most of this stuff is out of my hands


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates-is-growing/

I thought this was interesting too

Just an article discussing and showing relationship between political party and vaccination rates


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
This will be my final post on Covid. I just wanted to point something out:



And I'm not even against getting the vaccine. I'm planning on getting it later this year.



:facepalm: :picard::smbfacepalm:


Bro....You're about a year too late to this party and all this time you have been irresponsible to society and even yourself.



SO politely I *DO* request this is your last post on covid, because the next one could be you dying from an easily preventable disease.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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I hadn't realized the vaccine had been available for a year now


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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:doublefacepalm:


Yeah.


it was called social distancing and masks

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Fiery]
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Oh. I didnt realize your post was differentiating between a vaccine and social distancing and mask when you quoted him talking about getting the vax then said he was being irresponsible.

I assumed you didn't know if he was wearing a mask or social distancing since you don't.

And assumed you werent making that assumption because it wouldn't make sense to, since for all you know he was social distancing and wearing a mask this entire time.

Let me find some emoji pics to further support the validity of my post

I thought maybe the vax had been out a full year already but based on your reply my guess is it hasn't. I do know FDA approval for one of the vaccines was recently made.


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