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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: feevers]
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Someone is saying they won't get the vax because fuck koods ?

Wow. Unbelievable. Well done.

So what's the goal? Self preservation?  Kill people? Kill stupid people because none of you are stupid and You're all the only ones who are self proclaimed as deserving life ?

A lot of you vaxers sound scared and are acting out of fear

Some of you are easily as bad and ignorant as those you condemn

Keep in mind there are rich and powerful people who know more than you, who are smarter, who have better resources at their disposal, who are all for de-population.

That's a fact.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Enkidu said:
feevers said:
Getting a vaccine is not catching a virus, it's a controlled exposure specifically designed to not carry the same risk profile as catching the virus, that's the point


The mrna vaccine isn't considered a controlled exposure though is it?

Part of my apprehension to the vaccine is that it is a "new type of vaccine" as I've heard described by medical professionals unless I am mistaken.

Because unlike the traditional method where you are taking in a dormant form of the virus (this or I may be wrong) what the new vax does is introduce genetic information for your cells to produce.

It's entirely possible this is not accurate so if anyone can clarify on the difference between the two that would be great.

In regards to eradicating covid, again, I was under the impression that because it is a respiratory disease it is not possible to eradicate in the same way we have done for other diseases such as small pox and in the same way we have not erradicated the flu.

Similar to the flu, I haven't looked it up but didn't the flu kill an outrageous amount of people when it was first introduced (not introduced but you know what I mean) to the masses ?

I should probably freshen up on some of my history on how we handled it and the impact it has had. Vax or no vax, a new disease runs rampant until it kills everyone it will kill and those alive begin to build immunity. This is just how it's worked in the past to the best of my knowledge and without me making claims for or against getting a vax.

But it seems like when a new virus is introduced to us humans, it generally has a devastating impact.

Also just want to say that not everyone who hasn't gotten the vax is killing people.

I don't have the vax, I didn't start covid, I didn't infect not 1 single person nor did I kill 1 single person.

As much as some of you would like to blame me, I am not to blame.

After being part of and then reading the on going back and forth, I don't think many people are getting much out of this thread besides practice debating


The mRNA vaccine has your cells produce a fragment of the spike protein, the exposure to this fragment allows your immune system to develop/mount a defense to destroy it. When it's exposed again in the future (like to the actual virus) your body will nearly instantly recognize the invader and already know how to attack it. So it is a controlled exposure just in a different way that has different benefits.

No one really knows how covid will play out long term. In the past novel respiratory viruses often tear through a population then go seasonal. Many get weaker over time, some don't and there can always be variants.

The vaccine is the best answer we have right now, and there will likely be madatory vaccines forever for healthcare workers like there is for the flu. Not sure how it'll go for everyone else as far as vaccinations in the future go, I'm guessing it'll get to a point where everyone knows somebody or they themselves come down with a bad case or lasting damage from multiple infections over time, and they'll end up getting vaccinated and boosters when needed.

As for this thread there's been a ton of great information shared, particularly in the earlier versions. It definitely is prone to arguments but that's not necessarily a bad thing

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 2
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Enkidu said:
A lot of you vaxers sound scared and are acting out of fear



There is essentially no way to twist the current data to show that refusing the vaccination is the rational choice. Other than those with medical conditions who can't be vaccinated, people refusing it are doing so based on emotion/fear and lack of information.

Nearly everyone educated on the subject, every expert in these areas of science, is vaccinated. I've seen very few people who get vaccinated because they're afraid. Most people just want society to be normal again, and also to take one simple step to protect themselves and others against a virus that they most certainly will get exposed to at some point.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Thanks for the response feevers

I appreciate you sharing things I am ignorant to

And your level headed response makes me open to what your trying to convey and actually works as a means for helping someone like me who has been against getting the vax see reasons why that may be the wrong choice


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Have you guys seen this ?

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

Has there been a stronger push recently for children to get vaccinated ?

I see a lot of data and stories that create a very strong guilt trip for those who have declined to get the vaccine in similar ways as here, basically you know the story, we are to blame, others are paying for our choice, etc.

And mentioning of children going back to school, children not being vaxed, etc

Do you guys think this is safe for children ?

Because honestly if anything scares me it is for my childrens sake as I have virtually no fear for myself.

Others around me though, I begin to feel the sense of "I don't want to be the cause of their sickness or suffering" type of deal.

That goes for both the risk of covid and the risk of potentially giving vaccines to my children where if I wasn't paranoid before, if people were to start trying to force my children to get vaccinated, I would become extremely paranoid and protective

Edited by Enkidu (08/30/21 07:36 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Quote:
The bad news, doctors say, is that half of Israel's seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized were fully vaccinated at least five months ago. Most of them are over 60 years old and have comorbidities. The seriously ill patients who are unvaccinated are mostly young, healthy people whose condition deteriorated quickly.

only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.

"We have a very large fraction of our population who are paying the price for a small fraction of the population who did not go to get the vaccine," said Eran Segal of the Weizmann Institute of Science, who advises the Israeli government on COVID-19.





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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Bod I read all of that man if you think I didnt.

I wasn't posting it as an anti vax propaganda


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
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It's fine for kids. The problem is these day a lot people are addicted to their kids having problems.

My kid has autism because of vaccines and despite it being proven wrong you can't change my mind.

ADHD because of food coloring, non organic food, fructose syrup, 5g, environmental toxins, etc....

They just know what kind of people they have to deal with. So they walk on eggshells


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 3
    #27449916 -

If your kid gets stabbed and it's life threatening but survivable you'll suddenly trust any doctor available. But when 200/200 doctors say take a vaccine to protect everyone and get kids their childhood back they're probably influenced by soros and the government and bill gates too.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
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It's like people just don't have faith in capitalism anymore.


:depressing:


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
If your kid gets stabbed and it's life threatening but survivable you'll suddenly trust any doctor available. But when 200/200 doctors say take a vaccine to protect everyone and get kids their childhood back they're probably influenced by soros and the government and bill gates too.


I can't argue that but the difference is in one scenario my kid needs a doctor and in the other my kid is healthy

It's that my kid is healthy that makes me worried and scared to inject then with something because people tell me to trust them.

I don't trust them though. I can't seem to help it.

Idk if im just way too paranoid or what.

Because children are targets in everyway.

Starting from school, you and I already went through it. Or do you not agree with the mass manipulation and programing of our society ?


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #27449933 -

Do you have children ?

And do you not believe they are being targeted ?

Not about the vax right now just in general

Doctors prescribe and overprescribe pharmaceutical medications that are detrimental to human health to children and adults alike.

Yes I trust a doctor to save my kids life if they are stabbed.

No I don't trust it will accept a doctor telling me my kids needs any number of dif drugs they try to prescribe because that is what they are taught and told to do.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
It's fine for kids. The problem is these day a lot people are addicted to their kids having problems.

My kid has autism because of vaccines and despite it being proven wrong you can't change my mind.
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It is a convenient explanation for a very inconvenient stroke of bad luck.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Ima Trooper]
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Ima Trooper said:
longbus said:
Hey guys, can we all just get along and love each other? <3


No. Get fucked.


Reported.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted] * 1
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Honestly I think I'm just too paranoid and I don't know that there is anything that can fix it.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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I heard the covid vaccine can actually make you gay.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said:
Quote:
bodhisatta said:

It's fine for kids. The problem is these day a lot people are addicted to their kids having problems. My kid has autism because of vaccines and despite it being proven wrong you can't change my mind



It is a convenient explanation for a very inconvenient stroke of bad luck


Babies and kids get vaccinated and grow up soon after, autism happens in some and the only possible link is the vaccinations, seems to be the narrative


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees] * 1
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If people look down at me for not wanting a vaccine because ot risks filling hospital beds, then i look down at fat people for the same reason.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: trees]
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I'm not even trying to start an argument or debate about but

Have vaccines in the past taken years to develop and sometimes over 100 years? Yes

Have vaccines in the past had multiple releases and multiple failures with adverse effects before finding one that worked well? Yes

Is the new vaccine a new vaccine with less history as a tried and effective method ? Yes

We have had the flu and the vaccine for how long? Yet even today they don't have "adequate testing to determine effectiveness in patients over 65" but we have adequate testing to ensure safety for this new vaccine?

I'm just asking a genuine question. If you say yes I'd have a hard time understanding why you trust this and believe you know anything about it.

The only argument I accept is the argument that "covid is potentially worse risk"

That is the only argument I can potentially see as making sense regardless of if i personally agree with it or not

The other point I can consider is "advances in technology have given us the capability to produce vaccines with better effect"

But I am trying to weigh everything and im still paranoid about the vax and don't trust it.

Why is it I am not paranoid or worried about covid yet I am paranoid and worried about people injecting my kids with this vaccine ?

Opinions ? I'm open to trying to understand why this is if someone thinks they have good reasoning to explain it and explain why I should ignore it


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Enkidu]
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Have any of you who have had the vax had a natural gut instinct not to get it ?

No offense but there was a guy in here who said I was a piece of shit more or less and can die and that he's feel bad for my kids or I need to protect my kids

Do you have kids to protect?

Because you told me accept what they tell you and do it without knowing anything about it. Trust them.

If you have kids and you're doing that then no offense but you are not protecting your kids.

And if you were you'd be hesitant and asking questions on questions on questions before allowing anyone near them simply because they tell you it's what's best.

Our medical community has failed us and our society has failed us in every way.

All trust has been lost.

You don't get to demand it when you've fucked us over and over and over because we were too stupid to question anything.

So yes, I question everything and I examine things from every perspective.



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