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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: koods]

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#27447824 - 08/29/21 12:20 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

koods said:

Enkidu came in here defending antivax talking points and he’s not doing that anymore. I think he’s being genuine.

I meant to mention this while responding to 321. I appreciate your recognition of that. I only read the last couple, few pages but I hadn't seen any radical statements. Talking points are ok, no? You, on the other hand, are as radical as they get, from comments I've seen here.

The amount of radicalism here is disheartening. To wish harm on someone for struggling in ones mind, what the righteous decision to take be, is sad. I've yet to hear anyone wishing harm on the vaxed. And if I seen it, I'd be saddened by that too.

Peace

Edited by Yeatster (08/29/21 12:57 PM)

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bodhisatta
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

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#27447829 - 08/29/21 12:24 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Oir society has the technology and abilities to completely eradicate a lot of infectious diseases but what's in the way of that are

Freedom thinkers
So called pro-lifers
People that think everyone else are sheep
IQ < 100
Religion
Meme-education

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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: 1234go]
#27447836 - 08/29/21 12:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

quote]1234go
You can't always trust your gut

Yes I can. And I will. There isn't a single being on the planet to change that fact. Including you.

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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: bodhisatta]
#27447846 - 08/29/21 12:34 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

bodhisatta said:

Oir society has the technology and abilities to completely eradicate a lot of infectious diseases but what's in the way of that are

Freedom thinkers
So called pro-lifers
People that think everyone else are sheep
IQ < 100
Religion
Meme-education

You're right. There is also the ability to manipulate the herd, to do as you please. I'm not saying that's definitely the case but I don't feel it's out of the realm of possibilities. People are easily programmed. Look at the history of cults, for instance. People do some fucked up shit because they have been subjected/programmed to a certain game plan, fact, idea, whatever you wanna call it. My point is...it's difficult to trust what is truth nowadays. So, being hesitant, imo, is a good thing.

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1234go
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Yeatster]
#27447862 - 08/29/21 12:47 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeatster said:

Quote:

1234go
You can't always trust your gut

Yes I can. And I will. There isn't a single being on the planet to change that fact. Including you.

Peace

Best of luck to you...

I see you only quoted one part of my post as well, but I didn't assume you agreed with the rest.

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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: 1234go]
#27447869 - 08/29/21 12:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

1234go said:

Yeatster said:

Quote:

1234go
You can't always trust your gut

Yes I can. And I will. There isn't a single being on the planet to change that fact. Including you.

Peace

Best of luck to you...

I see you only quoted one part of my post as well, but I didn't assume you agreed with the rest.

It must mean I did.

Nothing but love.

Peace

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Crazy_Horse
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

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#27447897 - 08/29/21 01:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Enkidu is an american hero.

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morrowasted
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Crazy_Horse]

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#27448059 - 08/29/21 02:43 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

The whole idea of trusting your gut is nonsense. Everyone "trusts their gut". Your "gut" (intuition) is just the system 1 process in your brain, which is inFORMED by inputs (sensory experiences). Some people have guts that very often produce truth. Some people don't. The difference is education and experience at doing whatever it is

There are some things I trust me gut about and some things I have to think through step by step- but if I work through enough similar problems eventually my guy will reliably produce accurate/useful ideas.

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Asante
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: morrowasted]

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#27448089 - 08/29/21 03:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes truth is really counterintuitive.

I mean..

If a virus strikes the earth..

right?

It becomes a pandemic..

bear with me..

And then the greatest pharmaceutical companies make it their top priority to produce the best possible vaccine as fast as possible..

knowing they will have a blockbuster vaccine with billions of users if they succeed and will be bankrupted if their vaccine is harmful..

When they get THE WORLD EXPERTS IN THE FIELD TOGETHER.

and they say FUCKING USE ALL SUPERCOMPUTER POWER AND LAB FACILITIES AND EXPERTISE AND BUDGET YOU NEED.. JUST GET US RESULTS!!

it might just be..

counterintuitively..

That they do their job and make a good vaccine in record time.

I know its far fetched and i will lose a few people saying this but..

It might just be that the world experts know their shit in their field.

I know, wild assumptions, but..

Maybe.

It should not be ruled out.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Asante]

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#27448090 - 08/29/21 03:13 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

:hewut:

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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: morrowasted]
#27448091 - 08/29/21 03:13 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

morrowasted said:

The whole idea of trusting your gut is nonsense. Everyone "trusts their gut". Your "gut" (intuition) is just the system 1 process in your brain, which is inFORMED by inputs (sensory experiences). Some people have guts that very often produce truth. Some people don't. The difference is education and experience at doing whatever it is

There are some things I trust me gut about and some things I have to think through step by step- but if I work through enough similar problems eventually my guy will reliably produce accurate/useful ideas.

Trusting my gut is just a way of saying I trust when I see things first hand, not on some message board, I can make an intelligent rational decision. I'm very skeptical, on this subject. I will always resist a force infringing on my ability to make my own decisions in life. And don't bother taking that out of context to prove your righteousness. I respect everyone's opinions and course of action. I do not respect a mandate to jab me with a foreign substance. I will never accept that.

I have a question for Koods, because there's been some really informative comments. Do you know the ingredients in the Vax, and if so, could you break them down, as far as origin & known side effects, to your best ability? I assume you are in the know.

Peace

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Yeatster
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Yeatster]
#27448094 - 08/29/21 03:16 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Asante, you lost me with the bankrupt comment. Unless there is a new law exempting big pharma from responsibility, concerning this Vax. Do tell

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Tripsurfer
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Enkidu]
#27448144 - 08/29/21 03:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Our gov, politicians, doctors and pharmaceutical industries, or human history in general, doesn't have a very trustworthy track record

:werd:

@Asante

Was your aunt vaccinated?

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Asante
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[Re: Tripsurfer]

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#27448193 - 08/29/21 04:18 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeatster said:

Asante, you lost me with the bankrupt comment. Unless there is a new law exempting big pharma from responsibility, concerning this Vax. Do tell

Common sense. Big Pharma companies are competing businesses. If one of them makes a vaccine that "kills millions" like antivaxxers suggest, they will get trillion dollar lawsuits and their brand name at once has become synonymous with the ultimate in quackery.

Tripsurfer said:

@Asante

Was your aunt vaccinated?

Not a chance. She was one of the first people in our country to die of Covid.

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Asante]
#27448207 - 08/29/21 04:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Asante said:

Yeatster said:

Asante, you lost me with the bankrupt comment. Unless there is a new law exempting big pharma from responsibility, concerning this Vax. Do tell

Common sense. Big Pharma companies are competing businesses. If one of them makes a vaccine that "kills millions" like antivaxxers suggest, they will get trillion dollar lawsuits and their brand name at once has become synonymous with the ultimate in quackery.

Tripsurfer said:

@Asante

Was your aunt vaccinated?

Not a chance. She was one of the first people in our country to die of Covid.

I'm truly sorry for your loss Asante

I don't think the Vax companies hold any liability, is what I was getting at. If I'm wrong, I'd love to know. That is one of the biggest red flags for me.

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bodhisatta
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Yeatster]
#27448222 - 08/29/21 04:44 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeatster said:

morrowasted said:

The whole idea of trusting your gut is nonsense. Everyone "trusts their gut". Your "gut" (intuition) is just the system 1 process in your brain, which is inFORMED by inputs (sensory experiences). Some people have guts that very often produce truth. Some people don't. The difference is education and experience at doing whatever it is

There are some things I trust me gut about and some things I have to think through step by step- but if I work through enough similar problems eventually my guy will reliably produce accurate/useful ideas.

Trusting my gut is just a way of saying I trust when I see things first hand, not on some message board, I can make an intelligent rational decision. I'm very skeptical, on this subject. I will always resist a force infringing on my ability to make my own decisions in life. And don't bother taking that out of context to prove your righteousness. I respect everyone's opinions and course of action. I do not respect a mandate to jab me with a foreign substance. I will never accept that.

I have a question for Koods, because there's been some really informative comments. Do you know the ingredients in the Vax, and if so, could you break them down, as far as origin & known side effects, to your best ability? I assume you are in the know.

Peace

Before you get the vax they hand you a sheet with all the ingredients listed and a little info about them. At least they did for me. You can easily look up any one of the vaccines and their ingredients. There's not much to them.

And the companies that make them are liable for problems.

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Enkidu
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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Yeatster]
#27448237 - 08/29/21 04:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I must admit I too have a strong internal feeling telling me to question and not take the vax.

Can't say why or what it's based off. But it's there.

I do not think they hold liability. Where are you getting that they are liable for death or any negative side effects?

Conspiracy theorists are claiming that the ingredient list has non disclosed ingredients they are not required to reveal as some sort of "trade secrets" or something. Is that baseless accusation? I was trying to find the ingredient list myself after seeing and sharing the claim that the microscopy revealed all those metals etc that has been labeled as a lie and misinformation. I found the Ingredient list and saw nothing stating there were non disclosed ingredients or secret ingredients they are not required to list.

I had never heard of that ivermectin until I saw it in this thread. Now im seeing where and why it's coming up based on the things the anti vaxers are saying in response to some of the questions I've asked them

I haven't researched it yet but I'm about to. After this recent talk I had with an anti vaxers conspiracy theorist I'll call them, I'm as confused as ever. I basically took everything I've learned and heard in this thread and asked them for an explanation and they had their own answers and reasoning that was different from what was expressed here. I'm going to try and sort through if anything they said is supported by facts or legitimate reasoning or what

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season)

[Re: Enkidu]

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#27448249 - 08/29/21 05:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

They give the vaccine vials to people that work at hospitals you don't think a single person has ran the vials through hplc/ms. There's anything weird in the vials people noticed pretty immediately. Japan was sent some vaccines with foreign substances that was found out immediately. There's almost inherently going to be secondary quality control because the manufacturer doesn't do the injections. Nurses do.

The manufacturer liabilities is a complicated situation. They are liable for gross manufacturing negligence but not liable for someone getting a headache and complaining. If they put shards of glass in the vaccine they would be held accountable.

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Yeatster
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[Re: bodhisatta]
#27448585 - 08/29/21 09:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I have no idea what hplc/ms is, but I assume it's something to identify the make up of the subject. And probably to a ridiculously accurate degree. If so, how available are these detecting devices, in a hospital? Is it available to a nurse, Dr, surgeon, etc?

Japan. I love Japan

The liability is complicated? I'm sure. Litigation is always complicated. So, now I would need to delve into the specifics of the complications of liability before I would consider entertaining the idea of the jab.

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#27448614 - 08/29/21 09:31 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, can we all just get along and love each other? <3

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