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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick] * 5
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Dude, they are not a top tier cyber security firm.  They are a hack group with political ties to the right.  This is literally my area of expertise and I can safely say just based on their OWN PUBLIC actions and reports that they are a group of idiots.  They tried to turn their own idiocy with the most BASIC of sysadmin functions into a political scandal, when it was just their own moronic lack of skills.

Routers are not used for system logging.  Routers literally route data between other systems.  You would not log things TO a router, you would log them to a logging server THROUGH a router. No logging server would ever, ever, ever, ever ,everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr have a 20MB logfile section if it was built anytime after 1985.  Routers themselves have logs, but that would only show you the network connections from one device to another and not what X person was doing on Y system. 

This is my hot take on your 'amazing concrete evidence!#%R!#!'.  It is heavily biased, full of big technical words they know full well their audience (you included!) won't understand, with some big numbers to make it seem like legitimate data and missing all the important context and possible reasons for those numbers.

You see conspiracy because you want to see conspiracy, not because it's actually there.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: mndfreeze]
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I already told you that I might have got my words mixed up about whether it involved a router or not. Keep in mind I am going off a live hearing that I only listened to temporarily and can't easily go back and find specific segments to clarify that particular part. However, just because I fucked that part up doesn't mean that they don't have evidence of a script being ran involving the 37,000 queries and that it deleted the data. If they didn't have actual proof of these claims, there is no way it would be included in the audit report - the Arizona senate is very adamant that their report must be 100% factual and will not tolerate any incorrect information in the report for integrity reasons. So I would wait until the report is released and see if this information makes the final cut or not.

I don't know why the fuck they are using a server that only allows for 20mb of storage. You'd have to ask the Maricopa county board of elections why that is. This is the government we're talking about, afterall. Not exactly a competent bunch - which is why we're in this situation in the first place.

At any rate, you are singling out one thing in particular but doing nothing to discount the other irregularities involving the ballots and voter rolls that were caught in the audit.

How is it possible that 74 thousand ballots have no record of ever being sent to voters in the first place? There are only 2 explanations: either these votes are 100% fraudulent, or somebody fucked up the paperwork for them somewhere. We will get the answer to that question once the full report is released.

You love to discredit Cyber Ninjas, but their job was focused only on one specific aspect of the audit. Even if they are discredited in your mind, what about all of the other things that have been caught? Do they just not count because you take issue with the cybersecurity aspect?

And last but not least - if there is no conspiracy as you claim - why has Maricopa county fought this audit tooth and nail from day one? Why are they still refusing to pass over certain electronics to the audit team for forensic analysis? Why do they have no explanation for all the irregularities which seem to suggest fraud? They certainly aren't making themselves look innocent - but rather, they are acting quite like they have something to hide.

At any rate, we are discussing what is essentially preliminary information released during a live hearing. Everything will be spelled out in full detail with proof after the final report is out. Then we can all judge the proof that is revealed in the report. That is when the real shit-show will begin.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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Quote:
-74,243 mail-in ballots had no record of ever being sent to anyone, but were received and counted as legitimate votes - suspected as entirely fraudulent



It’s been 7 months and none of these claims ever come true. Even if these numbers were accurate, how do you jump to “it was fraud.” What’s the evidence of fraud?

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Everything will be spelled out in full detail with proof after the final report is out



How long are you people gonna keep making these promises that never materialize.

You’ve put your faith in a clown show, dude. It’s sad and pathetic.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick] * 3
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I focused on the tech shit because thats what I do for a living and have for the last 24 years.  I can't offer anything more than you on the other stuff, which is complete and utter assumption based on limited to no real information specifically because I don't have the facts to say its true or not.  You on the other hand are very very quick to jump on the LOOK AT THESE FACTS bandwagon based on a debriefing with limited information by a very biased source.

I did also check a few news reports on it and they indeed claimed it was a router specifically. So you didn't mix up their words they once again are just speaking garbage.  This is and always has been political theater and has never been 'transparent' like you claim, nor have any actual bombshell facts been dropped. Just a lot of open ended questions to imply suspicion without the proof behind it.

Not to mention multiple audits have already taken place:

On January 27, 2021, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors approved a multi-layered forensic audit of the tabulation equipment to add to steps already done to ensure the integrity of elections in Maricopa County.
The county hired two independent firms certified by both the National Institute for Standards and Technology, and the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission:
o Pro V&V audited the elections equipment February 2–5 and February 15, 2021.
o SLI Compliance audited the elections equipment February 8–12, 2021.

But sure, rando uncertified, incompetent tech company with right ties and a CEO with a history of posting conspiracy shit to twitter obviously are the pro's here.  Makes perfect sense, if you want to see conspiracy theories.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: mndfreeze] * 1
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mndfreeze said:
I focused on the tech shit because thats what I do for a living and have for the last 24 years.  I can't offer anything more than you on the other stuff, which is complete and utter assumption based on limited to no real information specifically because I don't have the facts to say its true or not.  You on the other hand are very very quick to jump on the LOOK AT THESE FACTS bandwagon based on a debriefing with limited information by a very biased source.

I did also check a few news reports on it and they indeed claimed it was a router specifically. So you didn't mix up their words they once again are just speaking garbage.  This is and always has been political theater and has never been 'transparent' like you claim, nor have any actual bombshell facts been dropped. Just a lot of open ended questions to imply suspicion without the proof behind it.

Not to mention multiple audits have already taken place:

On January 27, 2021, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors approved a multi-layered forensic audit of the tabulation equipment to add to steps already done to ensure the integrity of elections in Maricopa County.
The county hired two independent firms certified by both the National Institute for Standards and Technology, and the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission:
o Pro V&V audited the elections equipment February 2–5 and February 15, 2021.
o SLI Compliance audited the elections equipment February 8–12, 2021.

But sure, rando uncertified, incompetent tech company with right ties and a CEO with a history of posting conspiracy shit to twitter obviously are the pro's here.  Makes perfect sense, if you want to see conspiracy theories.



LOL, so you are taking audits conducted by the Maricopa County board of elections - the same people who may have very well been directly involved in the fraud - and taking them as the gospel truth, but the actual real full forensic audit involving a full deep-dive into the entire election (and not just election equipment) conducted by 1500 volunteers of mixed political orientation is not worth taking seriously? They literally video-recorded every single step of the process to be as transparent as possible, and had a 24/7 livestream of all the ballots being counted that anyone could watch at any time, but you're claiming they're not transparent? LOL!

At this point you're just using your personal bias to justify ignoring it. And once again, your criticism is focused primarily on Cyberninjas - even though, as I've already said, their work focuses on only one aspect of the audit and even if you discredit them it does not discredit the rest of the audit.

The fact that they have identified >100,000 votes that are highly suspicious and may be indicative of fraud is in itself, a bombshell. Now they just need to release information on how many of these votes were for Biden and how many were for Trump. If it is found that most of these votes were Biden votes, then Biden simply cannot claim that he actually won the state of Arizona and that there wasn't massive fraud in his favor.

Biden's administration is in a difficult place right now. Biden was forced to go to PA and beg them not to do an AZ-style audit. He has instructed his DOJ to intimidate the Arizona state senate in a desperate attempt to stop this from happening. These are not the actions of an administration which is confident that it won fairly.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: mndfreeze] * 2
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The reality is that republicans in power know that their voters and the chopsticks of the country are so dumb that you can say literally anything to them and it'll be believed, as long as it's in line with what they want to believe, and bonus points if it conflicts with what "mainstream media wants you to believe."

That's not hyperbole, one 4chan troll tells them that hillary clinton is eating babies and literally millions go all in believing it. These are people with severely compromised mental capacities and there are lots of them.

Republican lawmakers are attempting to pass laws across the country that will enable them to override the will of the people and nullify democracy in future elections, while making the slightest half-assed attempt to pretend they're doing it because Joe Biden stole this one, which they then admit that he did not steal depending on who they're talking to.

It is all so, so dumb

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: feevers]
    #27389424 -

Alright feevers, so I'm a poo-poo head Qanon conspiracy theorist. That's great. Got any evidence that dis-proves the findings of a full forensic audit that had 1500 people working on it day and night for weeks to come up with an accurate result or are you just going to keep slinging insults?

As for the voting laws you're talking about, the Arizona audit proves that they were absolutely 100% justified in passing them. What happened in the 2020 election is a national disgrace.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick] * 2
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Yes, the results of the 2020 election and subsequent audits disprove the findings that you haven't shown and will never show  from this cirus of a political stunt.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
I already told you that I might have got my words mixed up about whether it involved a router or not. Keep in mind I am going off a live hearing that I only listened to temporarily and can't easily go back and find specific segments to clarify that particular part. However, just because I fucked that part up doesn't mean that they don't have evidence of a script being ran involving the 37,000 queries and that it deleted the data. If they didn't have actual proof of these claims, there is no way it would be included in the audit report - the Arizona senate is very adamant that their report must be 100% factual and will not tolerate any incorrect information in the report for integrity reasons. So I would wait until the report is released and see if this information makes the final cut or not.

I don't know why the fuck they are using a server that only allows for 20mb of storage. You'd have to ask the Maricopa county board of elections why that is. This is the government we're talking about, afterall. Not exactly a competent bunch - which is why we're in this situation in the first place.

At any rate, you are singling out one thing in particular but doing nothing to discount the other irregularities involving the ballots and voter rolls that were caught in the audit.

How is it possible that 74 thousand ballots have no record of ever being sent to voters in the first place? There are only 2 explanations: either these votes are 100% fraudulent, or somebody fucked up the paperwork for them somewhere. We will get the answer to that question once the full report is released.

You love to discredit Cyber Ninjas, but their job was focused only on one specific aspect of the audit. Even if they are discredited in your mind, what about all of the other things that have been caught? Do they just not count because you take issue with the cybersecurity aspect?

And last but not least - if there is no conspiracy as you claim - why has Maricopa county fought this audit tooth and nail from day one? Why are they still refusing to pass over certain electronics to the audit team for forensic analysis? Why do they have no explanation for all the irregularities which seem to suggest fraud? They certainly aren't making themselves look innocent - but rather, they are acting quite like they have something to hide.

At any rate, we are discussing what is essentially preliminary information released during a live hearing. Everything will be spelled out in full detail with proof after the final report is out. Then we can all judge the proof that is revealed in the report. That is when the real shit-show will begin.



Dude, where's this live hearing? I wanna see. Link me!

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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chopstick said:
mndfreeze said:
I focused on the tech shit because thats what I do for a living and have for the last 24 years.  I can't offer anything more than you on the other stuff, which is complete and utter assumption based on limited to no real information specifically because I don't have the facts to say its true or not.  You on the other hand are very very quick to jump on the LOOK AT THESE FACTS bandwagon based on a debriefing with limited information by a very biased source.

I did also check a few news reports on it and they indeed claimed it was a router specifically. So you didn't mix up their words they once again are just speaking garbage.  This is and always has been political theater and has never been 'transparent' like you claim, nor have any actual bombshell facts been dropped. Just a lot of open ended questions to imply suspicion without the proof behind it.

Not to mention multiple audits have already taken place:

On January 27, 2021, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors approved a multi-layered forensic audit of the tabulation equipment to add to steps already done to ensure the integrity of elections in Maricopa County.
The county hired two independent firms certified by both the National Institute for Standards and Technology, and the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission:
o Pro V&V audited the elections equipment February 2–5 and February 15, 2021.
o SLI Compliance audited the elections equipment February 8–12, 2021.

But sure, rando uncertified, incompetent tech company with right ties and a CEO with a history of posting conspiracy shit to twitter obviously are the pro's here.  Makes perfect sense, if you want to see conspiracy theories.



LOL, so you are taking audits conducted by the Maricopa County board of elections - the same people who may have very well been directly involved in the fraud - and taking them as the gospel truth, but the actual real full forensic audit involving a full deep-dive into the entire election (and not just election equipment) conducted by 1500 volunteers of mixed political orientation is not worth taking seriously? They literally video-recorded every single step of the process to be as transparent as possible, and had a 24/7 livestream of all the ballots being counted that anyone could watch at any time, but you're claiming they're not transparent? LOL!

At this point you're just using your personal bias to justify ignoring it. And once again, your criticism is focused primarily on Cyberninjas - even though, as I've already said, their work focuses on only one aspect of the audit and even if you discredit them it does not discredit the rest of the audit.

The fact that they have identified >100,000 votes that are highly suspicious and may be indicative of fraud is in itself, a bombshell. Now they just need to release information on how many of these votes were for Biden and how many were for Trump. If it is found that most of these votes were Biden votes, then Biden simply cannot claim that he actually won the state of Arizona and that there wasn't massive fraud in his favor.

Biden's administration is in a difficult place right now. Biden was forced to go to PA and beg them not to do an AZ-style audit. He has instructed his DOJ to intimidate the Arizona state senate in a desperate attempt to stop this from happening. These are not the actions of an administration which is confident that it won fairly.




The previous audits were held by independent firms, as it clearly states in that snippet I posted.  The board only authorizes them to do the audits. They also are not publicly and overtly trying to pass off their own incompetence at their 'specialty' as a democratic scandal like cyber ninjas did with their database/raid array snafu.  They ALSO have actual election experience and don't have a big history of shady twitter posts with  conspiracy theories and republican money fueling them.  Crazy.

Also, I actually live here. This is my tax dollars paying for this shit. I have an actual vested interest in a fair election coming out of all this nonsense, and arizona is and has been a red state for a very long time and those saaaaammmmee audit contractors were fine and dandy all these other years., Crazy!

But of course, as expected, somehow now the county board of elections is in on the conspiracy too according to you.

They haven't identified anything. They made claims.  It was a debriefing with no questions from the democrat side and no actual proof given.  You just assume a fuck load of shit as usual.  bUt tHe rOuTeR lOgS aNd HiLlArYs eMaIls!#%$!#%$!

Political theater.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: mndfreeze]
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Quote:
Biden's administration is in a difficult place right now. Biden was forced to go to PA and beg them not to do an AZ-style audit. He has instructed his DOJ to intimidate the Arizona state senate in a desperate attempt to stop this from happening. These are not the actions of an administration which is confident that it won fairly.



He was forced to go to PA to beg? He has to beg in person? You have quite the imagination. The DOJ is looking at the az audit because it questionable whether they are following the rules Congress has mandated concerning federal elections. Congress is the ultimate authority on elections involving senate and House candidates, and they get to set the rules.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: koods]
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Man, sometimes I wish Jan 6th succeeded.

At least a fascist deathcamp operates in one reality.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: Kryptos]
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Professional Volunteers - new band name!


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick] * 1
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chopstick said:
Alright feevers, so I'm a poo-poo head Qanon conspiracy theorist. That's great. Got any evidence that dis-proves the findings of a full forensic audit that had 1500 people working on it day and night for weeks to come up with an accurate result or are you just going to keep slinging insults?

As for the voting laws you're talking about, the Arizona audit proves that they were absolutely 100% justified in passing them. What happened in the 2020 election is a national disgrace.



Omg LOL ur still arguing this horseshit

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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Yes, and there will be a lot more where that came from in the coming months. The fact that we've just had the most fraudulently conducted election in US history isn't something that people are just going to forget about. People want to know their votes actually counted and weren't drowned out by fraud, and lawmakers in these states aren't letting it go either. They have a duty to their constituents to prove to them that this election was legitimate. And if it's found that it wasn't, it is likewise their duty to do something about that as well.

So far the consensus here is: "The Arizona audit doesn't count because we don't like the results! Neener neener neener!"

Well too bad, because the full report with undeniable evidence pertaining to the findings in the preliminary hearing is coming. And now they're also doing one in Pennsylvania - which Joe Biden has tried to stop by visiting PA and asking them not to do it. It's unlikely that will be successful. Biden's DOJ is trying to intimidate the people running the audits as well, by threatening them with arrests - which is pretty funny, because if they actually won fairly they wouldn't have a problem with the audit. On the contrary, the audit would *prove* they won fairly, which would only make their hold on power more legitimate. So why are they trying to stop it?

This is reality. And as I've said, no amount of character smears or attacks on the audit will just magically make it go away.

At the very least - this is leading to the passing of much needed voter ID laws and mail-in ballot reform that will make it much harder for this to happen in the future. And that's a good outcome if you ask me - America is built on its democracy. If we don't have fair elections anymore then your vote truly doesn't matter and this country is finished and might as well be a dictatorship.

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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Yes, and there will be a lot more where that came from in the coming months.



Ok Mr. pillow


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick] * 2
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chopstick said:
Yes, and there will be a lot more where that came from in the coming months. The fact that we've just had the most fraudulently conducted election in US history isn't something that people are just going to forget about. People want to know their votes actually counted and weren't drowned out by fraud, and lawmakers in these states aren't letting it go either. They have a duty to their constituents to prove to them that this election was legitimate. And if it's found that it wasn't, it is likewise their duty to do something about that as well.

So far the consensus here is: "The Arizona audit doesn't count because we don't like the results! Neener neener neener!"

Well too bad, because the full report with undeniable evidence pertaining to the findings in the preliminary hearing is coming. And now they're also doing one in Pennsylvania - which Joe Biden has tried to stop by visiting PA and asking them not to do it. It's unlikely that will be successful. Biden's DOJ is trying to intimidate the people running the audits as well, by threatening them with arrests - which is pretty funny, because if they actually won fairly they wouldn't have a problem with the audit. On the contrary, the audit would *prove* they won fairly, which would only make their hold on power more legitimate. So why are they trying to stop it?

This is reality. And as I've said, no amount of character smears or attacks on the audit will just magically make it go away.

At the very least - this is leading to the passing of much needed voter ID laws and mail-in ballot reform that will make it much harder for this to happen in the future. And that's a good outcome if you ask me - America is built on its democracy. If we don't have fair elections anymore then your vote truly doesn't matter and this country is finished and might as well be a dictatorship.



Bro, this last election was the most heavily reviewed and criticized election in the history of our country. Yet, they have found nothing.

You are spewing straight conspiracy theory bullshit. Voter ID isn't going to change a damn thing because there is no fraud to limit, it will however make it harder for poor people to vote. Good work.


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: christopera]
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The best way to catch fraud is through a full forensic audit like in Arizona.

Until now, nobody has done such an audit.

And now that we have actual real findings based on full forensic analysis - they don't count.

:lol:

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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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They haven't caught shit, even with a "full forensic audit."

Since that is the best way, it seems like we can conclude there isn't any fraud. Literally, in their own hearing, they admitted they have no findings to report.

Quote:
“They are going to issue a report at some time in the not too distant future, it will be very interesting to see,” Trump said.



Not even DJ himself can spin it in a way that points towards actual fraud.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/2020-election-audit-arizona-497049


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Re: TRUMP: 5 to 10...You [Re: chopstick]
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What happened to the bamboo ballots from China ? That seemed legit .


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