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Who's tried virola theiodora?
    #2686838 - 05/16/04 04:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Is it any comparison to the other ayahuasca analogues?


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2689639 - 05/17/04 01:54 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i have tried some virola species, not sure of which...
i have found it much easier (and funnier) than yopo/cebil, in general. when one's nose drips it looks like blood (the spit too), can be pretty scary to unwarned people around! =)
but i think i'm yet to hit some real fresh virola bark...


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2689688 - 05/17/04 02:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Im getting some seeds of virola red and white strain. Not sure on the species though. wonder how long it will take to grow these bad boys out. id love to see what a virola plant looks like. Iv'e heard great things about virola.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: jojoba]
    #2689768 - 05/17/04 02:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

it looks like an ordinary tall tree.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #2691354 - 05/17/04 03:21 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I put 20g of it along side 56g MHRB in my latest Ayahausca brew. I will drink it sometime this week. I'll let you know how it goes.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2691469 - 05/17/04 03:44 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

56g mhrb? are you trying to kill yourself on N,N or is your bark batch weak?


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2692036 - 05/17/04 05:38 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That IS way too much for one person, but he really cant kill himself. I doubt your body would let you digest that much magic before le purge....


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: felixhigh]
    #2693066 - 05/17/04 09:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have taken that much twice before and not gotten to where I am trying to go. I don't want visons, I want a fully self-trancendent discarnate, telepathic experience. I want to totaly shatter my ego and cleanse my soul. This is not just some random experience. I am not just dabbling in this. I need this. Thanks for your concern though. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2694867 - 05/18/04 05:06 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I have taken that much twice before and not gotten to where I am trying to go. I don't want visons, I want a fully self-trancendent discarnate, telepathic experience. I want to totaly shatter my ego and cleanse my soul. This is not just some random experience. I am not just dabbling in this. I need this. Thanks for your concern though. I'll be sure to let you know how it goes.




Just a thought...

Maybe you can reach these states of expanded consciousness without entheogens.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #2695420 - 05/18/04 11:49 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I do that also. I think that you can reach a state of "expanded conciousness" by just losing yourself gazing at the clouds, certainly in meditation, during sexual stimulation, yoga, or the like. It's just ever since I started tripping what I have really been looking for is decribed perfectly by the experience reports of heavy ayahuaca voyages. The thing is, I would have never tried things like meditation, yoga, Zen Buddhism, Taoism, Jass music, sushi, and a whole list of other things had it not been for these substances which by the way I see as my gurus along with what I hesitatingly call God. I know that this seems a little excessive to put it lightly, but for me I do not think that it is. I am bipolar, my daily life is an "altered state of conciousness" I used to lay in my bed not wanting to do a god damn thing because I didn't see a valid point in doing so, life was absolutely meaningless. I wanted to fucking die but I was too much of a pussy to do it so I cut myself instead. 90% of my wardrobe was black. These substances help me cleanse my soul from time to time. There are somethings which I use in a recreational fashion like Kratom, up until a week ago cannabis, things like that. Although sinse I quit smoking pot I do not feel the urge to alter my mind with such substances every day. Istead I generally work out about 5 times a week instead (weights only twice a week) So yes I agree with you that one should have other techniques to alter their mind. Infact I think that the experiences gained from using mushrooms for an example are utterly wasted on an individual that has no spiritual/religious system to incorperate these experiences into their daily life. To me that means drumming, praying, meditating, doing yoga, reflecting deeply on nature, dancing (although I suck at it), and just trying to be a better fucking person. To me all of these things are forms of metamorphising your conciousness.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #2699734 - 05/19/04 03:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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And just trying to be a better fucking person. To me all of these things are forms of metamorphising your conciousness.




Very true.


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Re: Who's tried virola theiodora? [Re: Mr_Gubjet]
    #4511440 - 08/08/05 08:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So did you try the virola ever, or find a place to buy live trees or viable seeds. If so let me know PM. Thanks.


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