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Live oak log and shitake innoc. *DELETED*
    #2684569 - 05/16/04 01:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: MizzJazzy]
    #2686078 - 05/16/04 12:38 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

im not sure, i know it works on black oak, i guess you could give it a shot and post your progress in the grow logs forum.


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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: MizzJazzy]
    #2686274 - 05/16/04 01:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

When you say 'live oak', do you mean a direct innoculation of a live tree? Some mushrooms, like honey mushrooms, might be able to take over a weak or dying tree, but I'd be pretty surprised if shiitake can overcome a live tree's 'immune system'. If the oak were freshly cut from a live tree, now that would be optimal. . .can you elaborate on the plan?


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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. *DELETED* [Re: Suntzu]
    #2686346 - 05/16/04 02:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: MizzJazzy]
    #2690373 - 05/17/04 09:10 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That would be defined as freshly felled oak which is optimal for innoculation. Live oak implies a still standing with roots in the ground TREE which shiitake will not take to. Shiitake is saprophytic but not parasitic.


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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: MizzJazzy]
    #2690634 - 05/17/04 11:59 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

theres a type of tree called live oak... black oak... tan oak... theres different kinds of tree's... he could either be talking about a live tree or the type of tree... if its alive it wont work, if its the type of tree and has turned brownish or grey on the ends revealing thats its semi old then it should work...


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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2690774 - 05/17/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

re definition of 'Live oak'

please read this...

http://www.sfrc.ufl.edu/4h/Live_oak/liveoak.htm

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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: Mycena]
    #2690939 - 05/17/04 01:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

okay, so now i follow Jazzy's line of questioning (assuming live = species). The answer is yes; as all oaks are said to be acceptable, if not preferable, shiitake substrate.as a general rule of thumb, all non-aromatic hardwoods can be utilised by shiitake.


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Re: Live oak log and shitake innoc. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2690986 - 05/17/04 01:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I found one dissenting voice: http://ohioline.osu.edu/for-fact/0040.html
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The hardwood tree family most recommended in the United States for shiitake cultivation is the beech family (Fagaceae). The particular genus most successful in this family is Quercus (oak). All oak trees can be used with the possible exception of live oak.





I'm at work otherwise I'd check GGMM as it contains a long list of common trees with the mushrooms that can be cultivated upon them.


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Re: Live oak log and ####### innoc. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2691631 - 05/17/04 04:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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All oak trees can be used with the possible exception of live oak.





Damnit. :lol: :smile: I had a bad feeling about the Live Oak.

I showed my completed log to someone and they immediately said "Live Oak isn't really an Oak Tree.".

Yeah dude, check out GGMM for me please 'cause i don't own a copy of that myself, unfortunately, i used to rent that book from the library a lot though.

Oh and btw "Jazzy", my screenname is GGreatOne234 and not GgreatOne264. She isn't much of an acquantaince of mine anymore considering that she called me last night on telephone for the soul purpose of calling me a 'lousy pile of sh*t' lol or some other rude & borish comments from her jazzy-Self. 'Can't blame me for hanging up and not wanting anything to do with that type of rude & borish behaviour. So that's-that.
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Keep on shroomin, If you dare,

Anyways, thanks for the info debainlinux.

Keep shroomin,
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Re: Live oak log and shiitake innoc. [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2691877 - 05/17/04 05:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Well, my memory wasn't perfect. The list simply specifies acceptable species for general mushroom cultivation. Quericus virginiana is on this list.

I just searched for my copy of Growing Shiitake Commercially (Bob Harris) but can't scare it up today. I'm thinking it has list of woods in it. I'll let you know when/if I find it.

Did you propagate your own spawn? Dowels or plug? How are you "incubating" them?


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Re: Live oak log and shiitake innoc. [Re: debianlinux]
    #2804107 - 06/18/04 01:30 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Live oak is a Florida oak, it looks diffrent & is not as hard a wood as the oak up north, it decays in about a year rather than many years like the oaks of the north east.

I tried Shiitake on live oak in 2 diffrent bio regions, ( florida has several), 1st was in south west florida, on the gulf half way between Tampa & Naples, it is a dry climate locally, due to weather situations influenced by the local geography, i had to water the logs along with the rest of the garden.
Second experiment at the same time, was half way between Orlando & Daytona, in land from the ocean quite a bit, a forested & moister climate, logs did not need any watering, and the decay rate of the oak was faster than the logs on the west coast.
In both situations, the culture grew slow as shiitakes do, but the fruit were tiny and infrequent, i concluded that "Live Oak" , is not the oak to be used. I did enjoy the learning experience tho.


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