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OfflineWoodsman
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Re: Amanitas
    #268165 - 03/09/01 10:20 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Amanita calyptrata (or calyptroderma) is also very good--supposedly similar to caesarea (which doesn't grow in Pacific NW)--but requires great care in identification. The golden-brown form with an unbroken cottony patch of universal veil tissue on the cap is pretty unmistakable, but the more greenish-yellow form is WAY too similar to the deadly A. phalloides and should never be eaten.

The flavor of A. muscaria IS uniquely delicious. No other mushroom quite matches it; unfortunsately its intoxicating properties make it unsuitable for eating in significant quantity unless one intends to become clumsy, drowsy, and disoriented. I have found that in small doses (no more than an ounce or so of fresh cap material) it produces only an invigorating "tonic" effect. Cooking improves the flavor and alleviates the unpleasant side effects. And stems (which taste just as good) can be eaten in larger amounts than caps, since most of the intoxicating substances occur in the caps.


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Re: Amanitas [Re: Woodsman]
    #269568 - 03/11/01 10:10 AM (22 years, 11 months ago)

I have read a method of boiling in several changes of water that can make A. muscaria edible and delicious without toxic side effects. I have never tried it myself.

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Re: Amanitas [Re: Workman]
    #270308 - 03/12/01 01:30 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah... but thats a pretty expensive way to get a tasty meal, unless you're brave enough to harvest amanitas in the wild. Not being a trained mycologist, I don't eat any mushrooms that don't come from either a store/catalog or from a grow kit.


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Re: Amanitas [Re: Murple]
    #270498 - 03/12/01 07:37 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Woodsman, about what volume of stem tissue of A. muscaria could a healthy adult consume without intense nausia? Golfball size?


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Re: Amanitas [Re: Suntzu]
    #270648 - 03/12/01 11:42 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

One or two "golfball" sized CAPS (unopened buttons), well cooked (in an omelet or stir-fry), is just about right for a pleasant light inebriation. I've never gotten worse than mild transient nausea from cooked specimens, even in larger amounts.

If you just want the flavor, and NOT to get stoned, then probably 3-4 ounces of fresh stem material would be safe enough. Most of the ibotenic acid and muscimol is concentrated in the tinted flesh of the cap, just under the skin. Only a little bit in the stems, but of course this is subject to variation with the strain and environmental conditions.


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Re: Amanitas [Re: Woodsman]
    #276503 - 03/22/01 07:20 AM (22 years, 11 months ago)

When I was drying Amanita's up north, I couldn't believe how good they smelled.

I hate mushrooms, I never eat them as a food source but boy those amanita's smelled tasty!

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    #278024 - 03/24/01 03:26 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Amanita muscaria has been used as a spice for flavouring (apparently because of compounds similar to monosodium glutamate). I suppose if it was the only nutritious food present, then the ancient hunter-gatherers would have to make do with boiling them. Closely related to amanitas are tasty Volvariella, the "paddy straw mushroom" which is commonly available (canned) in Chinese supermarkets.


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Re: Amanitas [Re: amanita]
    #279030 - 03/26/01 12:56 AM (22 years, 11 months ago)

The Paddy Straw mushroom is very popular in Asia. But it doesn't grow in the States. A deadly amanita lookalike does grow in California and quite a few Asians have died thinking it was the Paddy Straw!

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