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InvisibleSwami
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99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse
    #2654876 - 05/08/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

How a republican can come up with this number is beyond me, but it is as disingenuous in it's application as in its fabrication, seeing as how 99.9% of US Soldiers in Iraq are NOT in charge of prisoners, so the statistic is meaningless.

What would be a more realistic statistic is the percentage of those soldiers in charge of prisoners who participated in abuse. The answer may lie much closer to 10% than to the claimed 0.1 %; only off by a factor of a hundred, which for a politician is actually close to the truth.  :rolleyes:


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: Swami]
    #2654919 - 05/08/04 11:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Er..Uh...perhaps it was meant to read "self abuse" for the worth of the  .1% figure :whatever:Wonder what the figures are for domestic prison guards? I would double or triple that just due to the circumstances for a more accurate best guess than thin air bullshit pulled from a spin doctors ass.
I am glad to see you've got the Swami mojo working on this whole waste of kids we got going. especially that you also have noticed the culture of anger we have seemed to have adopted which is fueling Geedubs ride and the bullshit in Iraq
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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: Swami]
    #2658405 - 05/09/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Swami said:
How a republican can come up with this number is beyond me, but it is as disingenuous in it's application as in its fabrication, seeing as how 99.9% of US Soldiers in Iraq are NOT in charge of prisoners, so the statistic is meaningless.

What would be a more realistic statistic is the percentage of those soldiers in charge of prisoners who participated in abuse. The answer may lie much closer to 10% than to the claimed 0.1 %; only off by a factor of a hundred, which for a politician is actually close to the truth.  :rolleyes:




99.9% of UK soldiers innocent of heterosexuality

How a kling-on can come up with this number is beyond me, but it is as disingenuous in it's application as in its fabrication, seeing as how 99.9% of UK Soldiers in Iraq are NOT in charge of women, so the statistic is meaningless.

What would be a more realistic statistic is the percentage of those soldiers in charge of women who participated in sexual acts. The answer may lie much closer to 10% than to the claimed 0.1 %; only off by a factor of a hundred, which for a politician is actually close to the truth.  :rolleyes:

Funny, my post had almost as much meaning at yours. It is ironic how your post is about a righty giving out a statistic with no context or background which makes it meaningless which is similar to this thread.


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: Swami]
    #2658469 - 05/10/04 12:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the fact that the united state soldies are abuseing iraqi's, takes away from the moral ground of the united states "moral" policy of entering iraq this means that other than economic gaing we literally have not motive or reason for invading their country


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: shroominsmurf]
    #2659860 - 05/10/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Those gaurds came straight from American prisons. When we don't even do anything about prison abuse in america do you expect it to be any better in iraqi? It was a bad decision from the start. And by the start i mean the first prison in American. It is just a bad system.


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: d33p]
    #2659903 - 05/10/04 05:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think that number is a serious statistic, or was meant to be viewed as such. I think it is just a way of stating that the abuse is not representative to most of US troops.


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: d33p]
    #2659931 - 05/10/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Of the six people now under court martial in Iraq and the one who returned to the US, only two had ever been prison guards.

Staff sergant Frederick, the most senior soldier being court martialed now, claims that the treatment of Iraqi prisoners was encouraged by military intelitence, who wanted the prisoners softened up by the guards before questioning.
There is additional evidence to back up his assertion.

From the New Yorker, this month:
"Last fall, General Sanchez ordered Ryder to review the prison system in Iraq and recommend ways to improve it. Ryder?s report, filed on November 5th, concluded that there were potential human-rights, training, and manpower issues, system-wide, that needed immediate attention. It also discussed serious concerns about the tension between the missions of the military police assigned to guard the prisoners and the intelligence teams who wanted to interrogate them. Army regulations limit intelligence activity by the M.P.s to passive collection. But something had gone wrong at Abu Ghraib."
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact


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Re: 99.9% of US soldiers innocent of abuse [Re: phi1618]
    #2659950 - 05/10/04 05:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Oh i thought it was more. Maybe only the ones caught so far were mostly non prison guards. Personally i don't care about the situation. I believe in the effectiveness of torture and think it should be used secretively.


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