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Invisibleadrug

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More new abuse photos.
    #2712999 - 05/21/04 11:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)









http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=582492004

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Nightmare never ending at Abu Ghraib

MARGARET NEIGHBOUR


PRISONERS at Abu Ghraib prison were ridden like animals and subjected to harrowing sexual humiliation and anti-Islamic intimidation, including being forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, according to a new report.

Alongside disturbing new photographs and video images of apparent abuse, the Washington Post printed 13 previously secret sworn statements by detainees that the paper said came from evidence assembled from investigations into possible criminal charges against US soldiers.

The photos depict a US soldier apparently preparing to strike a shackled detainee, a hooded inmate collapsed with his wrists handcuffed to a railing and a baton-wielding soldier appearing to order a naked detainee covered in a brown substance to walk a straight line, although his ankles are shackled.

The Post said it had obtained hundreds more pictures and several digital videos of the abuse. In one photo, a cornered inmate is cowering as a soldier tries to restrain a large black dog with both hands. In another, a soldier appears to be kneeling on naked detainees.

The abuses were said to include prisoners being forced to masturbate in front of female soldiers as well as an army translator having sex with a boy aged 15 to 18, an incident one detainee, Kasim Mehaddi Hilas, said was documented in photos taken by a female soldier.

"They forced us to walk like dogs on our hands and knees," detainee No 13077, Hiadar Sabar Ahed Miktub al-Aboodi, said. "We had to bark like a dog, and if we didn?t do that they started hitting us hard on our face and chest with no mercy."

Photos and videos from Abu Ghraib were presented to army investigators in January. The images began surfacing last month, severely damaging the United States? reputation in the Arab world. Excerpts from the new videos were being broadcast around the world.

Seven US soldiers, four men and three women, are facing courts-martial in connection with abuse and beatings at Abu Ghraib jail and one pleaded guilty on Wednesday. Another, Corporal Charles Graner, was identified in statements by eight detainees and is facing more charges than the others.

Cpl Graner?s lawyer was not immediately available for comment, but has said previously Graner was following orders of military intelligence officers.

Lawrence DiRita, a defence department spokesman, told the Post the images sounded like some of the more than 1,600 photos and videos the Pentagon showed to members of the US Congress and that the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, had warned might become public.

"We will leave no stone unturned to get to the bottom of this, to hold accountable those who may be responsible and fix it so it won?t happen again," a Pentagon official said, noting several military inquiries are under way.

The statements and images were of detainees held in Tier 1A of Abu Ghraib, an area under control of military intelligence that housed Iraqis the US thought had high value intelligence information that could help in the search for Saddam Hussein or lead to caches of weapons of mass destruction. It was also where prisoners involved in violence elsewhere in Abu Ghraib were taken.

The paper said the 65 pages of sworn statements were taken in January. The statements recorded allegations of prisoners being ridden like animals, sodomised with a phosphoric light, sexually fondled by female soldiers and forced to retrieve their food from toilets, the newspaper said.

"They started to take photographs as if it was a porn movie," one detainee said in a statement on the abuse of prisoners. US soldiers also turned the cameras on themselves, filming scenes of consensual sex, the Post said.

Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, who oversaw the prison, said yesterday the new photos were shocking but reiterated she had seen no abuses of prisoners during the time she oversaw the facility.

She said she had limited access to the blocks where the abuses occurred because military intelligence personnel oversaw interrogation of prisoners and had panels installed over the doors and windows.

Meanwhile, US authorities released 450 prisoners from Abu Ghraib yesterday.

? US AC-130 gunships and tanks battered militia positions yesterday near two shrines in the holy city of Karbala, killing 18 fighters loyal to rebel cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, the US military said.

Fighting between US forces and Sadr?s militia also was heavy in Najaf and neighbouring Kufa, south of Baghdad. Explosions rocked central Najaf, near local government buildings, and Friday prayers were cancelled.




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Re: More new abuse photos. [Re: adrug]
    #2713081 - 05/22/04 12:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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adrug said:






man its crazy just to think about being in the frame of mind that you would smile and gloat over things like that. is it the war, the people or the system? what do you guys think?


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Re: More new abuse photos. [Re: Tao]
    #2713106 - 05/22/04 12:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It doesn't surprise me. What good is a compassionate army? The military trains you to be a killing machine and to follow orders without feeling. Doesn't make it any less shocking to see though.


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Re: More new abuse photos. [Re: Tao]
    #2713422 - 05/22/04 01:40 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

is it the war, the people or the system?

All of the above.


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Re: More new abuse photos. [Re: adrug]
    #2713447 - 05/22/04 01:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I haven't been proud of being a US citizen for a while but now I am truly ashamed to be part of a country that breeds citizens like this.

People can think that these are rare insidence but from the fact that quite often most people 18-25 condone such actions I logically can't believe it's an isolated incident.

I deeply sympathize with the Iraqi's wrongfully imprisoned. If there was a way I could support them I would. I don't support terrorism but I would love to help an innocent victim in another country. Hopefully people like me can help sway the foreign opinion of intelligent citizens.

If Iraqi's or any other country decides to bomb the current governing body I have no problem with it and would in some respects welcome a change. Although I, as a US citizen, would never participate in such acts.

Of course I save all my responces due to the possibility of uninformed or government censorship.


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Re: More new abuse photos. *DELETED* [Re: cb9fl]
    #2713553 - 05/22/04 02:06 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: More new abuse photos. [Re: z@z.com]
    #2713615 - 05/22/04 02:21 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I know this might be very controversial but to me the War against Terrorism is anything but that. To me the US is fighting freedom. If they truly were against the instigators of the 9/11 attacks then I would support the cause but they aren't. They attack people of a different religious belief. I despise the Muslim religion and in no way support it but as a US Citizen understand the importance of civil freedoms. If Muslims want to practise their religion then I fully support their right. Iraqi's, Afghani's, ... anyone should have the right to hate the US and practise a religion that supports such beliefs. Only when they attempt actions against said religion/country should they be acted against.

However I fully support nuclear and chemical actions against said countries. A simple slap on the wrist is uselss. If a country or dicatator oversteps his bounds then the defending country should be allowed nuclear and chemical recourse. Innocent civillians may be the target but perhaps such actions can afford a future that includes proper UN investigation.

As said before "Of course I save all my responces due to the possibility of uninformed or government censorship."


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