Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

(a lot of people missed that one at the time it was happening).

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The Ecstatic said:

Dore is too dumb to see the bigger implications of things like java jato

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The Ecstatic said:

...and he’s too arrogant to admit when he’s wrong about it after the fact.

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That's definitely NOT TRUE.  In his VERY FIRST show after this was revealed by Glenn Greenwald Stef asked a reader question of Jimmy:


Stefane Zamorano:  "(First few words indistinguishable) Carwash destroyed Brazil economy/political justice system.  You and those people from Allard Prize praised them.  Now that Greenwald exposed their fraud will you make a retraction?

Jimmy Dore:  At the time, Glenn Greenwald had criticisms of the... I think we showed that?  Didn't we show that in our videos of that?  ...anyway, so he had criticisms of Lava Jato, which is the car wash.  So now Glenn got a hold of some leaked documents that showed that the prosecutor knew he had a bullshit case, but it was really for political purposes against Lula, which is the former President who's jailed.  When we did that first report on Lava Jato, Glenn had already aired criticism, but he still took the gig, the speaking gig to present them with the... and so he said 'well, I have my criticisms of Lava Jato; they still do good work."  At the time of our reporting, that was the known facts at the time.  Some facts have come out subsequently that showed those prosecutions not to be on the up and up, and to be politically motivated.


I know you're not the type of guy to make believe like koods, so I suspect you read somewhere that "he’s too arrogant to admit when he’s wrong about it after the fact."  I think you need to put Jimmy above whatever source told you that, because Jimmy still has zero dings against him, while your other news source now has at least one.

Edit:  And you might feel this isn't much of an apology, but what does he have to apologize for?  He (nor anyone else) didn't have all the information at the time of his 2017 report. 

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Brian Jones said:

Has Jimmy Dore responded to the allegations that he took money from an Assad lobbying group while he was arguing that the chemical weapons attacks came not from Assad, but was a false flag staged by an opponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Dore

This is the source of claim against Dore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellingcat

Bellingcat appears, among other things, to be anti-Syria/anti-Russia. I don't know enough about them to judge, but that wiki article seems to indicate their journalistic research methods are rigorous.

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Jimmy was definitely right to question whether the chemical attacks came from Assad.  I've written threads about this, how it would have been idiotic for Assad to use chemicals when Syria was winning the war after he had been warned not to use them, how doctors reported that victims of the latest 'chemical attacks' had only been treated for smoke inhalation, how the US bombed areas hit by the chemical attacks before an investigation could be done, etc.

Bellingcat is also a questionable source, as they are partially funded by the CIA and NATO, and support pro US Government positions.  Even Robert Parry and Craig Murray question their conclusions.


With that said, I'll agree with the Ecstatic's point that took so long to get out of him about Lava Jato; so that's one ding against Jimmy out of many years of doing the show (though a lot of people missed that one at the time it was happening).

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I forgot to mention I heard the above content on Jimmy Dore Premium Videos, so there's no link to share.  But if you're a subscriber, watch premium episode 14 June 2019 (the first episode after the Greenwald leaks) starting at 1:25:43.

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Dore: You mean Building 7?Wikipedia's W.svg
Feldman: Or is it Building 7 or...?
Dore: Well there is no explanation for that and everyone just pretends like you're a maniac. It's that same shit. It's like the big lie. Has a building, has a steel structure, fallen since from fire? Since 9/11? No. Guess what? None ever fell before either. And Building 7 fell and it wasn't hit by fucking anything.
[...]
Dore: Have you heard of an explanation for the Building 7 falling?
Feldman: Popular Mechanics which, you know, dismissed the whole thing. They spent a lot of time going into it and then the conspiracy buffs--
Dore: That is bull-- Well, I'll have to, you know what, I'll have to look up the Popular Mechanics Building 7 theory because whatever it is it has got to be bullshit. There is no fucking way.
Feldman: What I heard, according to Popular Mechanics, that metal doesn't melt-- steel doesn't melt--
Dore: Yeah, you have to get it at a certain temperature. Jet fuel doesn't even burn at a hot enough temperature to melt that kind of material.
Stef Zamorano: ...for all of those levels to collapse.
Dore: Plus and that stuff was fireproofed. That stuff was fireproofed anyway. Those buildings were built to withstand a fucking jet crashing into them and they took it easily. You saw. Two jets flew into those towers. They took them easily.
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I'm not saying it was an inside job. I'm saying that there are a lot of questions that are not answered because we haven't had the proper investigation.
[...]
I think that what definitely happened was that they let it happen. At the very least the Bush administration let it happen. Because those hijackers are not that brilliant. There's no way.[21]

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Brian Jones said:

Whether Assad gassed them is probably hard to prove one way or another.

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Brian Jones said:

Bellingcat and/or Jimmy Dore should be able to provide some good evidence on whether Dore took the money.

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Psilynut2 said:

I'm not saying it was an inside job. I'm saying that there are a lot of questions that are not answered because we haven't had the proper investigation.

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If an interview from over 10 years ago is all you got on Jimmy, he's one of the best we've got right now. 

Why don't you pick your favorite news source, and I'll bet I can find B.S. more recent than >10 years ago.

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They say "you don't believe in a God?" and I say "I don't know what is out there. I know what isn't out there. I know there isn't an invisible man in the sky, like the Bible tells us, who gives a shit about my penis." I know that isn't happening. You know what I mean? It's like the same thing with when they talk about 9/11. I'll get in trouble here, but people say, "you think that George Bush blew up the towers?" and I go "I don't know what happened. I know what didn't happen. What didn't happen is what the government said happened." That did not happen the way they said.[25]
What’s funny to me is how people discredit the 9/11 people who don’t buy the government’s story. I don’t think anybody buys the government’s story, right? Do we? The stuff that we know about George Bush and Dick Cheney is way worse than what the 9/11 truthers are saying in the first place. So why would that be crazy? We know they started a war illegally, we know they ordered war crimes to cover it up, and now the torture report comes out and says there’s[sic] way more brutal than we ever knew. So the stuff that we know about them is worse than if they would have allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place.[26]

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Psilynut2 said:

Jimmy dore  is a news source the same way the daily show is a news source .

How about 1 from 5 years ago .

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They say "you don't believe in a God?" and I say "I don't know what is out there. I know what isn't out there. I know there isn't an invisible man in the sky, like the Bible tells us, who gives a shit about my penis." I know that isn't happening. You know what I mean? It's like the same thing with when they talk about 9/11. I'll get in trouble here, but people say, "you think that George Bush blew up the towers?" and I go "I don't know what happened. I know what didn't happen. What didn't happen is what the government said happened." That did not happen the way they said.[25]
What’s funny to me is how people discredit the 9/11 people who don’t buy the government’s story. I don’t think anybody buys the government’s story, right? Do we? The stuff that we know about George Bush and Dick Cheney is way worse than what the 9/11 truthers are saying in the first place. So why would that be crazy? We know they started a war illegally, we know they ordered war crimes to cover it up, and now the torture report comes out and says there’s[sic] way more brutal than we ever knew. So the stuff that we know about them is worse than if they would have allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place.[26]

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Did I say daily show ? I think he more like a woke Alex Jones .

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Psilynut2 said:

Jimmy dore  is a news source the same way the daily show is a news source .

How about 1 from 5 years ago .

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They say "you don't believe in a God?" and I say "I don't know what is out there. I know what isn't out there. I know there isn't an invisible man in the sky, like the Bible tells us, who gives a shit about my penis." I know that isn't happening. You know what I mean? It's like the same thing with when they talk about 9/11. I'll get in trouble here, but people say, "you think that George Bush blew up the towers?" and I go "I don't know what happened. I know what didn't happen. What didn't happen is what the government said happened." That did not happen the way they said.[25]
What’s funny to me is how people discredit the 9/11 people who don’t buy the government’s story. I don’t think anybody buys the government’s story, right? Do we? The stuff that we know about George Bush and Dick Cheney is way worse than what the 9/11 truthers are saying in the first place. So why would that be crazy? We know they started a war illegally, we know they ordered war crimes to cover it up, and now the torture report comes out and says there’s[sic] way more brutal than we ever knew. So the stuff that we know about them is worse than if they would have allowed 9/11 to happen in the first place.[26]

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Did I say daily show ? I think he more like a woke Alex Jones .

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That's the same story.    What did he say that you think is Alex Jones like?

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g to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting:
Dore: I saw one picture of his room, I didn't see any shell casings. There should be a fucking pile of shell casings about four feet high. He shot sixty bullets a second for fucking ten minutes, are you kidding me?[135]
Walsh: There's a cab driver in the Mandalay Bay turnaround and you hear gunfire far away then you hear it right near the nightclub. And it's like that sounds like two different places.
Dore: Two totally different guns! Two totally different placements! I've heard that.
Walsh: But you're fucking psycho if—
Dore: If you say that you're mental. See, here's what's happening lately. You can have an open murder investigation, which is what this is, and you ask questions about it, you're immediately shouted down. That's not supposed to happen during an investigation. They haven't even concluded what the fucking real investigation was supposed to say. So that's suspicious, exactly what you say, super suspicious. Why are they taking down YouTube videos that question the official narrative? If those YouTube videos are wrong, who gives a fuck?[136]

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Psilynut2 said:

koods said:

The old “I’m just asking questions” bullshit

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Alternative theories get shot down because people who come up with them dont hire investigators to go out into the field and investigate anything . Alternative theories are not based on investigative work .  There are cooked up under tinfoil .  That’s how we got the Seth rich alternative theories , that he shlepped .
  It’s not a good point at all .

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Ok then, Jimmy was wrong to want proof of Iraq WMDs or Trump-Russia collusion, etc.  Correct

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