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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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excellent news, time for tea soon! :mushroom2:


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
Just before I left home for work, I checked the tub one last time.  I discovered the first pin!  Whoo-hoo!  I look forward to getting home and seeing what other treasures await.


CONGRATS! I bet you had a ton of pins when you got home. Normally they will form for two days and grow slowly for a third. On the fourth or fifth day they take off.

I am almost to 7 days from spawning to bulk on my new tub. From the looks of it I should get knots in the next day or two.



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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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It was 87 degrees yesterday and it's going to be 87 again today.  I still have only the one pin.  Apparently the heat has caused all growth to stop.  Hopefully, pinning will continue after the temperature decreases.

Congrats on your new tub, JD!

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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that temp won't stop growth. Here when the heat comes it's like low 90's during day and everything keeps growing.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: LtLurker]
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I counted 14 pins this morning.  The first pin is now about an inch tall and pleasingly plump.

To increase FAE, I repositioned the two pieces of tape over the top holes, leaving a 1/4" opening in the center of each hole.  I removed one of the four pieces of tape from the bottom holes, leaving three pieces over each hole.

Does that sound reasonable?

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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Just chiming in to say thanks to JD and Tom. This thread has had a ton of great information and has been exceedingly helpful. :mushroom2:

Wishing great success for both of your tubs!

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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Sounds reasonable.

Give it a couple of days. Even if you have a mediocre first flush, a second can make up for it real quick.

I don't have any experience with those kids of temperatures in my grow area. Sounds like Lurker does though.

No PICS???? Share the joy!



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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/26/19 10:03 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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Tom, you'll probably see things explode over the next 3 days. The heatwave is supposed to break and it'll be down into the perfect temp range for cube growth from there.

Edited by the_sonic16 (09/27/19 12:04 AM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: the_sonic16]
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Guys,

For some reason, I can no longer attach photos.  I don't understand the problem.

The heat waved passed and we're once again back to a normal temperature. 

This morning, there were dozens of pins.  I removed a piece of tape from the top holes.  The top holes are now half-open.  I removed another piece of tape from the bottom holes.  They are now covered with a single layer of tape.

One long edge of the tub is about 8 inches away from a bookcase.  The other long edge faces the open office.  To ensure that both sides are getting roughly equal amounts of FAE, I'm now rotating the tub every day.

There are still large droplets on the inside of the lid.  They occasionally fall onto the substrate.  There are two or three 1/2 inch "puddles" on the edges of the substrate where I didn't thoroughly smooth the substrate.  The puddles have a light green color. 

Is this bad news? Do I dare remove the lid, and use a piece of paper towel to wick up the puddles? Or maybe use a turkey baster to suck them up?  And if I do that, should I wipe the droplets off of the lid or can I leave them alone?  Please advise.


Thanks,

Tom

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: the_sonic16]
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It's hard to tell without a picture. Yellow/green puddles can be metabolites, which are your mushrooms attempting to fight off infection. That's a normal mushroomy process. Not ideal, but nothing to worry about. Don't fidget with puddles and just leave it be :-).

I wouldn't suggest leaving the holes completely open, as that's a great way to grow mold. IMHO, I would leave a single layer of tape on there. The droplets on the inside of your lid are just condensation, not an indication that it's too wet.

I wouldn't mess with it if it's already producing mushrooms. That means something is going right. You can always tweak and optimize hole sizes for future flushes. Just keep in mind your second flush will likely be bigger regardless.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: the_sonic16]
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Thanks for the information and reassurance, Sonic!  I'll leave the tub alone for now.


Tom

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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Awesome news on the new pins! I don't let water pool for long. If it does so and stays that way for hours then I get some tissue and gently soak it up. Obviously some think differently. Just go with our gut. I don't think I would get a turkey baster though :lmafo:

Ah man that was hilarious picturing that.

I wonder if you are misting or its just the condensation? I doubt you need much misting if any on this first flush.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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JD,

I have never misted.  There are still tiny diamonds of water glistening on the substrate; light condensation trails down the sides and droplets on the lid. 

This morning there are even more pins.  The first pins are now over an inch tall.  It's looking great.  The babies love the increased FAE.

Growing out of the substrate near the bottom hole, I discovered what appeared to be a brown thread. It almost looked like a single long strand of mycelium that had dried out.

I wiped a pair of hemostats with alcohol.  I peeled back the tape from the bottom hole, leaving the tape attached.  I inserted the hemostat through the hole, grabbed the hair at its base, and pulled it out through the hole.  I immediately re-taped the hole.

What was that? 

Other than the aforementioned tiny light green pools, everything else looks normal, even though I don't know exactly what kind of beasties I'm looking for.

Please advise.

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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JD,

Now you've got me obsessing about the green pools.  I've never removed the lid.  Do I dare remove it, quickly soak up the pools and close it?  Won't that procedure let beasties in?

Due to the condensation, I couldn't take a good photo of the pins.  But here's a shot of the tub anyway. I'm just thrilled that I resolved the photo-upload problem.


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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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It would be highly unusual for opening your lid to hurt your grow in any way. You already have it completely open to outside air with the top holes only half covered. Once your tub is fully colonized it is very contaminate resistant. Many use fruiting chambers, where they are opening it three or four times a day to mist and manually fan. Shotgun chambers have a bunch of small holes with no tape completely open to outside air.

I have to open mine and mist a ton after the second flush or so. Opening your tub for maintenance, or just to give it a big breath of fresh air each day, is perfectly normal. I don't think I have ever had a day that I did not open up my tub at least once (after fully colonized). Many are now even using mono-tubs with no holes at all and just offsetting the lid, leaving open gaps in it at all times.

I do keep my grow area clean. I have an air purifier in my room and I spray down the closet it is in with Lysol before putting my tub in it. If you want to be super careful you could run an air purifier in the room for a while before you open it, or turn off any central air to create a semi-still air environment. But that is most likely unnecessary. Just keep your grow area as clean as possible. Don't throw a loaf of moldy bread on the shelf beside you tub, lol.


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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/28/19 10:26 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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That yellowish liquid in your tub is just normal mycelium piss. From the pic it does not look like it is excessively pooling. Either way, it won't hurt to dab up any pooling with a clean tissue.

The pins are looking good. You will have some full grown mushies very soon.


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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/28/19 10:29 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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That is a lot of condensation on the walls. You can always dry it up a bit with paper towels. Pooling water can breed bacteria. It is the condensation running down your walls and dripping off of your lid that is causing the mycelium piss (metabolites). It is nothing to freak out about, but you can easily remedy it. I would gently soak up any pools of water that are not evaporating within a day or so and stop it from reoccurring by drying up any excessive condensation. You don't need to get extreme or worry, just a little maintenance is helpful. It will probably be fine if you do nothing. 


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Edited by Spiritualscience (09/28/19 10:34 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: Spiritualscience]
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JD,

You are a reverend of reassurance and an avatar of advice.    Your scepter is a turkey baster.

I opened the lid, wiped off the condensation, and soaked up some puny puddles.  Here are some much clearer photos.





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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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You will have healthy full grown fruits in a day or so. I would just pick them as they mature since they are coming in at different times. You can cut them at the base with a razor blade, or gently wiggle and twist them until the come loose. On your first harvest it is hard not to damage the myc because it is very fragile. Later harvests it is tough and you can just bend the fruits over and they come off.

Now, this will not effect your first harvest by any means, but I would keep an eye on the bluish green spots. If that grows you may have a contamination. I would normally just assume it is bruising, but bruising is usually caused by drying or touching. It does not appear dry and I doubt you touched it. If you bumped it while getting the pools that may cause it. It also appears a little yellow and that could also be a sign of fighting a contamination. Regardless, you will have a harvest. Even if it contams, there are ways to save most of your first flush and then throw it away. Let's hope it does not contam and you get a lot more :-)

Edited by Spiritualscience (09/29/19 11:16 PM)

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Re: First time grow with spawn bags and bulk substrate. [Re: tomcards]
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tomcards said:
JD,

You are a reverend of reassurance and an avatar of advice.    Your scepter is a turkey baster.

I opened the lid, wiped off the condensation, and soaked up some puny puddles.  Here are some much clearer photos.







That sub is bacterial all over and the green appears to be the  trich.


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