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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Trump admires cult personalities and wants to be one so badly.  America in general is being duped into false hopes.

Cult personalities do bad things and fail their followers more than other more democratic leaders.  They are the anti-christ.


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
When you consider the context of my post, that being learned versus genetic intelligence, it’s pretty obvious.

But here we go.

First off, I said "Inherent intelligence is pretty worthless in a world where things are increasingly abstract anyways."

So, if we are to argue semantics, you are incorrect as you've misquoted me, even worse you've attempted to cherry pick some wording to make an argument. Context matters.

Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.





what learned concepts?  what are "these concepts?"  please be specific.


do you not understand you have cited nothing concrete?  you keep slinging buzz-words with no meaning.


i quoted you directly, sans the word "increasingly", by the way.

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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I don't know but he makes a lot of sense.  Since world war one the world became a lot more cult like.  With the inventions that created communication and unified the world easier.  They became more radically divided.

Propaganda became very bad in ww1.  It was always bad in a religious sense, yet down right evil in ww1 and since.

So people learn these identity markers.  What is learned and bonded with is almost impossible to entirely empty out and/or integrate.

People lack intelligence so bonding is a method of raising up the individuals sense of power.  Even if it brings a group down.


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
christopera said:
When you consider the context of my post, that being learned versus genetic intelligence, it’s pretty obvious.

But here we go.

First off, I said "Inherent intelligence is pretty worthless in a world where things are increasingly abstract anyways."

So, if we are to argue semantics, you are incorrect as you've misquoted me, even worse you've attempted to cherry pick some wording to make an argument. Context matters.

Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.





what learned concepts?  what are "these concepts?"  please be specific.


do you not understand you have cited nothing concrete?  you keep slinging buzz-words with no meaning.


i quoted you directly, sans the word "increasingly", by the way.




Do you have something to add to the conversation? An opposing view point?

"I directly quoted you except I skipped some stuff"


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Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

I’m sorry it had to be me.

Edited by christopera (07/10/19 10:49 AM)

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: christopera]
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It should ne said that learned concepts are brainwashing.  People will be brainwashed.  What the content of that is needs evolved.  That's why I am psuedo liberal.  But as far as survival goes I see the psuedo conservative safety foundation in their simple group minded nature.


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
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i'm going to try this again, from the beginning:


christopera said:
Inherent intelligence is pretty worthless in a world where things are increasingly abstract anyways. And especially so when you realize that opportunity is worth more than genetics. Only on rare occasions do genetics mean an advantage anymore. In this sense, Republicans are absolutely the more disadvantaged political group, in fact they actively cheer themselves on in this regard.




this is your quote, in its entirety.


here it is again:

christopera said:
Inherent intelligence is pretty worthless in a world where things are increasingly abstract anyways. And especially so when you realize that opportunity is worth more than genetics. Only on rare occasions do genetics mean an advantage anymore. In this sense, Republicans are absolutely the more disadvantaged political group, in fact they actively cheer themselves on in this regard.





what THINGS are ABSTRACT and in what way(s)/how are they  ABSTRACT ?



i can't make my question any simpler than this.  note, you are being quoted directly (as you were before, despite your contest.)  Your post hinges on this statement, which, in and of itself, is abstract.  There is no context for whatever it is that you mean.

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: koods]
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christopera said:
Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.




Quote:
ab·stract
adjective
/abˈstrakt,ˈabˌstrakt/
1.
existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.




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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
christopera said:
Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.




Quote:
ab·stract
adjective
/abˈstrakt,ˈabˌstrakt/
1.
existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.






Okay, what CONCEPTS?  What IDEAS?  Again, you are actually saying nothing.

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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You can't think of anything of a single topic of a theoretical nature that requires the learning of concepts, something that might not be physical or concrete in existence, that gets used on a daily basis? Are you a monkey?

Here's one example; Calculus. You can run with it from there.


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Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

I’m sorry it had to be me.

Edited by christopera (07/10/19 11:35 AM)

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
You can't think of anything of a single topic of a theoretical nature that requires the learning of concepts, something that might not be physical or concrete in existence, that gets used on a daily basis? Are you a monkey?

Here's one example; Calculus. You can run with it from there.





i certainly can.  i'm trying to understand what the hell you are actually saying.  every time i ask you to explain yourself, you come at me with questions and attitude.


how about you clarify what i've asked, or we can otherwise just call it DOA?

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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DOA? Everybody else in this conversation is on the same page, except you.

It's not hard to understand how many of concepts and practices used in society today would be abstract to a person without any/or less education about those constructs. Especially when you consider that the pace of change is faster than ever.

I don't think you're truly failing to understand, I just think you're being intentionally daft. As is shown by your lack of acknowledgement regarding the use of Calculus.


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Enjoy the process of your search without succumbing to the pressure of the result.

A Dorito is pizza, change my mind.

I’m sorry it had to be me.

Edited by christopera (07/10/19 11:51 AM)

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said:
DOA? Everybody else in this conversation is on the same page, except you.

It's not hard to understand how many of concepts and practices used in society today would be abstract to a person without any/or less education about those constructs. Especially when you consider that the pace of change is faster than ever.

I don't think you're truly failing to understand, I just think you're being intentionally daft. As is shown by your lack of acknowledgement regarding the use of Calculus.





again, you won't address my questions.  thanks for the attitude :cheers:

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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You aren't really interested in asking the question, anymore than you are trying to deny, deflect and attack (usually Trump cult tactics).

The whole spectrum of political ideology has very little physical existence.  The ideologies and concepts exist 90% in the minds of those that play with such existences.


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
You aren't really interested in asking the question, anymore than you are trying to deny, deflect and attack (usually Trump cult tactics).

The whole spectrum of political ideology has very little physical existence.  The ideologies and concepts exist 90% in the minds of those that play with such existences.






How Trumpian of you to tell me what i'm thinking/feeling and what my intentions may or may not be.

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Tulipslave said:
christopera said:
christopera said:
Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.




Quote:
ab·stract
adjective
/abˈstrakt,ˈabˌstrakt/
1.
existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.






Okay, what CONCEPTS?  What IDEAS?  Again, you are actually saying nothing.



no u


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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Cosmic_Flame said:
Tulipslave said:
christopera said:
christopera said:
Second off, the implications are obvious. We live in a world where many of the learned concepts that we rely on are of a theoretical nature. For the majority of the world, but specifically our society (USA) as the stage has been limited to Democrats and Republicans, that wasn't the case even a 100 years ago. These ideas and concepts are impersonal and detached from inherited intelligence and can only be developed through learning.




Quote:
ab·stract
adjective
/abˈstrakt,ˈabˌstrakt/
1.
existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.






Okay, what CONCEPTS?  What IDEAS?  Again, you are actually saying nothing.



no u




of course i'm not saying anything.  i'm asking a question, not making a statement or claim.

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Meh

:doingmediocre:


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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Tulipslave]
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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: Cosmic_Flame]
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This thread has lost its mind.....

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Re: Who's dumber, Republicans or Democrats? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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What's dumber: Democrats, Republicans, or this thread?

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