qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

Citizen X said:

That was quality study imo, the numbers don’t tend to lie.

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No, it's a bullshit study that basically suggests no borders for EU nations.

There's a reason why they call it a migrant crisis in the EU, the whole thing turned into a giant social-economic mess.

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Care to show the part of the study that suggests no borders for EU nations?

Your claims that the study is bullshit, and that the people behind it are biased, would carry a lot more water if you could actually explain why/how this is the case. Can you at least provide your own contrasting academic study which has a conclusion that supports your opinion?

Otherwise, I think it's much more likely that you don't like the fact that there is zero empirical evidence that supports the effectiveness of deterrence-based border control methods, and that you are biased against any study that reaches a conclusion that disagrees with your beliefs.

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"increase legal pathways"

How is this a solution to illegal economic migration?  Yes, it helps the migrants, but what does it do for the native EU citizens?

Did you ever notice that this "study" only concerns itself with the well-being of the migrants and make ZERO mention of EU citizens? 

Of course allowing all economic migrants into the EU legally would help their situation, but that's not the main concern of EU citizens. They're concerned about their well-being, that's sometime that "study" could give two shits about.

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natedawgnow said:

Yet you have claimed that white women who sleep with black men are lowering
themselves. Sure, maybe you've never stated the actual words; You just imply
every racist ideal you have so you don't actually have to say the words and
defend racist views

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qman said:

Since when did the debate become about "deterrent based border control" and not "the effectiveness of deterrence based immigration POLICY"?  I clearly showed the EU went to other policies outside of border control to curb migration.

The numbers clearly show the new policies are working to control migration, how's that for the scientific method?

In fact, the EU has been criticized for their new methods.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/05/libya-shameful-eu-policies-fuel-surge-in-detention-of-migrants-and-refugees/

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/03/europes-shameful-failure-to-end-the-torture-and-abuse-of-refugees-and-migrants-in-libya/

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/how-far-eu-seal-borders-khartoum-process-central-mediterranean-migration

"EU's current migration policy is to pressure governments in Africa and the Middle East to stem onward migration in exchange for aid"

"the outsourcing of migration control continues: Italy and the EU have committed E285 million to the Libyan Coast Guard until 2023"

Now, many people may not like the new polices, but going to the root of the issue is the most effective method. Border patrol in the EU is only so effective.

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XUL said:

You're not a leftist?

But you call other people racists even when they say they are not.

So, how does this work?

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qman said:

Since when did the debate become about "deterrent based border control" and not "the effectiveness of deterrence based immigration POLICY"?

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qman said:

I clearly showed the EU went to other policies outside of border control to curb migration.

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qman said:

The numbers clearly show the new policies are working to control migration, how's that for the scientific method?

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qman said:

Now, many people may not like the new polices, but going to the root of the issue is the most effective method. Border patrol in the EU is only so effective.

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