MrCraggles said:

Two months ago it changed to once every two weeks in high doses.

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laughingdog said:

The hope, that one in search of such experiences has, is of course, first to surrender to a superior force, which is presumed to be benevolent, and thus avoid any effort, and secondly as stated above to actually get something--both of which presume that the current self is lacking something and that one understands & knows it thoroughly and correctly.

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But there is no "superior force" to surrender to - the surrender in tripping is to cease fighting the internal process, not to bow to some outside entity. 

With the cessation of resistance towards dissolution of the "ego" (a resistance that arises in the ego's desire for self preservation) a far more comprehensive form of understanding attains full consciousness (if only briefly at first), so-called fundamental or original mind. This is significantly different from the idea that "ego death" is merely the temporary loss of sense of self.

Original mind doesn't just replace the ordinary self, it subsumes it and renders the latter superfluous. There is great freedom in this.

SFAIK this is all in consonance with Buddhist teaching, but like most of these things it makes little sense until actually experienced. Once experienced though it can't really be forgotten, since nothing else really compares. 

PrimalSoup said:

Once experienced though it can't really be forgotten, since nothing else really compares. 

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PrimalSoup said:

However this idea of "it" - IME "it" has no trace of ego consciousness even though "it" exists, and has always existed.  "It" has no name, no defined location, pervades the universe.  When you surrender to "it" you lose yourself, that's the sort of surrender that matters - but since you already had "it" it can't be said it's an external force.  All sounds like paradox unless experienced directly.

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laughingdog said:

"Ego doesn't necessarily return / it necessarily returns but it's changed / ego becomes less aggressively dominate / your perspective now includes previously unseen ways of being"

Maybe true, to some degree, in some cases. Of the millions who have tripped, and out of the tens of thousands of those who had some sort of ego death experience, I wonder how many, had their lives changed in the ways, you two wish were true?

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there are any you know of who like Nisargadatta Maharaj can talk of and manifest convincingly a life where the illusion of the doer is gone? And indifference to physical pain is the norm.

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Again, internal experience of others is unknowable.  If you try to go by outward signs they can be misleading; hence spiritual materialism, and ego manifestations in supposed "enlightened" people.  It's all treacherous and there are no reliable guides. 

From a spiritual perspective though, yes you can know and do (or not do) these things.  But that's a different question to what you were asking I think.

PrimalSoup said:

laughingdog said:

The hope, that one in search of such experiences has, is of course, first to surrender to a superior force, which is presumed to be benevolent, and thus avoid any effort, and secondly as stated above to actually get something--both of which presume that the current self is lacking something and that one understands & knows it thoroughly and correctly.

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But there is no "superior force" to surrender to - the surrender in tripping is to cease fighting the internal process, not to bow to some outside entity. 

With the cessation of resistance towards dissolution of the "ego" (a resistance that arises in the ego's desire for self preservation) a far more comprehensive form of understanding attains full consciousness (if only briefly at first), so-called fundamental or original mind. This is significantly different from the idea that "ego death" is merely the temporary loss of sense of self.

Original mind doesn't just replace the ordinary self, it subsumes it and renders the latter superfluous. There is great freedom in this.

SFAIK this is all in consonance with Buddhist teaching, but like most of these things it makes little sense until actually experienced. Once experienced though it can't really be forgotten, since nothing else really compares. 

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Psychedelics are a massive mystery. I've been trying to crack it's code for years and I st Ill can't tell if it's just me on other end or if it's an intelligent entity. Perhaps it's ME..the intelligent entity

I remember the first time smoking dmt ever. I tried fighting the dmt spirit because I felt so threatened because It was like someone invaded my home. I gave it a death stare while saying "fuck you, fight me" and it backed down and said "no no no it's not like that, chill" and I immediately felt like an ass. I was ignorant. Luckily it understood the error of my ways. Was it me being afraid of me? I don't know man..