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Salvia alone
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I've been meaning to try Salvia for several years, and I finally got around to buying some 10x. All the reports I've read lately are absolutely fascinating, particularly some of these recurring themes:

-perceived gravitational changes
-fusing/melding of one's body with inanimate objects
-reality-generating machines (e.g. tape reels, conveyor belts, flip books, and carousels that are producing reality)

I'm also extremely skeptical about doing Salvia alone, as many users report forgetting that they smoked it during the experience. Many reports also mention moving around during the experience without realizing it. Now, I've had several solo trips with mushrooms, LSD, and DMT, but Salvia really seems like a beast that requires a trip sitter, at least at high doses. What do you guys think?

I figure I might try it at very small doses to get a feel for it, and then take it from there. Based on the reports, the Salvia space just seems so bizarre - I can't really imagine how one could forget having done a drug and start wandering around under its influence. The thought of wandering around in some amnesic Salvia trance - even just inside my house - is really unnerving though.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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My advice for how to take salvia; don't. Put it in the bin instead.

Salvia just feels malevolent. I rarely hear people having had a good experience. Not to say it doesn't happen because it does, sometimes. But in my experience it's just awful. Both the bodily sensations and the actual trip. It's just awful. And potentially very dangerous if done alone you could easily hurt yourself whilst disoriented. It is absolutely nothing like psychedelics in any real way.

Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.

The gravity sensations you talk about feels like pins and needles X 100 whilst being forced down to the ground by something that wants to crush you alive.

It's so easy to accidentally smoke too much or hold it in too long or whatever. It makes the difference between something that is semi-manageable and an absolute nightmare.

Just YouTube 'salvia trips' or 'bad salvia trips' to get an idea because they pretty accurately show what happens to a LOT of people. This is a pretty normal reaction you'll see. It's not how everyone reacts, but a lot.

Be careful and don't do it alone.


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Edited by MrCraggles (02/04/19 03:38 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 2
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nube424 said:
I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.



That advice is really irresponsible. 10X is extremely potent stuff and he could very easily hurt himself and generally need help.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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MrCraggles said:
My advice for how to take salvia; don't. Put it in the bin instead.

Salvia just feels malevolent. I rarely hear people having had a good experience. Not to say it doesn't happen because it does, sometimes. But in my experience it's just awful. Both the bodily sensations and the actual trip. It's just awful. And potentially very dangerous if done alone you could easily hurt yourself whilst disoriented. It is absolutely nothing like psychedelics in any real way.

Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.

The gravity sensations you talk about feels like pins and needles X 100 whilst being forced down to the ground by something that wants to crush you alive.

It's so easy to accidentally smoke too much or hold it in too long or whatever. It makes the difference between something that is semi-manageable and an absolute nightmare.

Just YouTube 'salvia trips' or 'bad salvia trips' to get an idea because they pretty accurately show what happens to a LOT of people. This is a pretty normal reaction you'll see. It's not how everyone reacts, but a lot.

Be careful and don't do it alone.


I just want to say I have had some good trips on it, although some very very frightening ones. However, I have to disagree that it's "not like psychedelics". It is like psychedelics in the sense that it alters your perception and can give you profound insights about the nature of reality and the mind. It's just not like "classical" psychedelics in the sense that the trip feels a lot different compared to LSD or mushrooms and tends to be more unnerving/off putting to the average person.

If you are looking for something that's like mushrooms/LSD/DMT/mescaline and you try salvia, you will probably be disappointed. However if you are looking for something completely new and different, then salvia is certainly that. While it doesn't exactly have widespread appeal, there are many individuals who have deep appreciation for salvia. It's a very interesting plant.


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The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra

Edited by Peyote Road (02/04/19 04:23 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Peyote Road]
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Here’s a fun idea... how about we don’t recommend some one not need a sitter for a substance they’ve never tried
Especially one we all know to be extremely strong ...?
We have to be better than that here guys, this is real life lol

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
nube424 said:
I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.



That advice is really irresponsible. 10X is extremely potent stuff and he could very easily hurt himself and generally need help.


10x salvia is potent stuff? I've smoked it in public. 10x is mild compared to the other extracts. It's just salvia. It's perfectly fine to use by urself. Op said they have solo trips on shrooms L and dmt. He/she can handle it. I was smoking 20x with I was a kid, back in 05 when it was everywhere.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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I think people who think 10x isn't potent has never had real 10x. There is some shitty marketing out there where I believe the concentration has been embellished by a factor of ten. I'm sure there is a product out there that does this. I've read people talk about smoking 120x ... unless it's practically a gum then that's horseshit.

Real 10x is very, very strong. And only takes 1/10 of a gram to be completely out of your body.

OP, just know that if you work your way up the trip will be get to being very different. Low level trips are pretty easy to deal with and you might stay in your room the whole time. Bump up the dosage by another 50% and you might find yourself in the cosmic meat-grinder.

Personally I would suggest going all in the first time because even if you start slow it might be so weird that you might not ever do it again. Measure out 1/10 of a gram and hit it hard and long. Make sure you're sitting down and there's nothing sharp around and nothing you could trip over in case you walk around lol.

Salvia is the weirdest drug out there. So familiar yet so alien.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 1
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Not sure about 10x but smoking plain leaf was near impossible to break thru. and 20x had me waking up in a different room speaking in tongues. probably best to play it safe

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: mt cleverest]
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Yea if u smoke 1/10 of a gram it'll be strong. Most people just smoke a good pinch. I had real 10x, but I was used to 20x.. and when I smoked 20x it was so crazy, like flash backs to being a baby n shit.

I do know that they vary alot. Cuz I've smoked some pretty weak 10x, and I've had good 10x. But I still feel like a hit of 10x is manageable by urself, especially since op stated they did L shrooms and DMT solo. If u can handle those solo u can handle salvia. All it does it completely fuck ur motor skills and make u trip for 10 minutes.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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MrCraggles said:
Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.


That sounds so fucking scary, yet oddly intriguing. I'll probably never try to smoke salvia anyway, might chew it though. Or however you're actually supposed to use it.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999] * 1
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Ur supposed to smoke it if u wanna trip lol.

And that's why u don't do it in public. If u do it at home the worst it's gonna make u do is say weird shit and not be able to move.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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counterpoint to above post >

it is possible to break through with plain leaf though it takes some determination. grind it up fine and bow up on a nice packed bowl and boom! I grow my own so it might be better quality, but I've certainly got there on commercial plain leaf.

it doesn't necessarily fuck up your motor skills. I've found myself walking down a trail when I come to. I've watched a guy get up off the ground and jump over a couch and walk down my hallway into another room and sit down and he had no clue how he got there.

it's all manageable if you take precautions but there's no fucking way I would ever smoke 10x in public. And there isn't a definite timeline - the first time I ever smoked it (if not lvl 6 trip as defined by daniel siebert I don't know what it was) I was gone for nearly 25 minutes as my friend kept the time.

Another reason I suggest people go all in their first time is because if you get scared off with a very low level trip then you will never know exactly what this molecule is capable of.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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That is very true sir. I still feel like someone that's experienced with psychos would be fine doing 10x alone. But he's gonna do whatever he wants no matter what we say. If u can ride out DMT by urself, u can handle salvia. IMO of course. I mean salvia ducks u up, but it's not like it's unbearable or overwhelming. Ur kinda just along for the ride.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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Not to mention, if ur scared of hurting urself on drugs, don't do drugs.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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I totally agree on being able to handle things by yourself. I made sure I had a sitter the first time I did ayahuasca to make sure I didn't somehow OD myself.

The same salvia experience where my friend jumped over the couch ... right before that he was trying to thrash (for lack of better term) all the books out  of my bookcase. I mean, you might wreck your room or run off a cliff and have no idea it was happening. I used to tell people that your best bet is to go into a nice room, close the door and lay on the bed under the covers and then smoke. The covers and closed door should keep you from roaming about.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 1
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nube424 said:
Ur supposed to smoke it if u wanna trip lol.

And that's why u don't do it in public. If u do it at home the worst it's gonna make u do is say weird shit and not be able to move.


Whenever people start talking about salvia there's always some dude(s) claiming that smoking it ruins the whole experience. Sure you might get those mind shattering experiences when you smoke, but that's not what everyone is looking. I have barely done any kind reserach though so I'm pulling all of this out of my ass.

Also on an unrelated note this, don't know if it's ok to laugh lol


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Edited by hejAdig999 (02/04/19 10:32 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999]
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yeah

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999]
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Substances like salvia and DMT are best enjoyed alone IMO. Even sitters can take away from the experience in a lot of ways. Just prepare and take the proper precautions. I like to just sit on the floor with a blanket and pillow. Set the pipe down and lay back or stay sitting up. It will be okay, you can't go by what people say about it. Some people find it aggressive but others find it to be beautiful and gentle.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: SonicTitan] * 1
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small pinch of 10x smoked in a safe place alone is good
some water in a plastic cup or bottle is good, note paper and some pencils or ball pen is good.

safe means you can't wander far, and you wont fall down stairs or out of a window.

even a small pinch could get you wandering with poor discrimination.


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