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Salvia alone
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I've been meaning to try Salvia for several years, and I finally got around to buying some 10x. All the reports I've read lately are absolutely fascinating, particularly some of these recurring themes:

-perceived gravitational changes
-fusing/melding of one's body with inanimate objects
-reality-generating machines (e.g. tape reels, conveyor belts, flip books, and carousels that are producing reality)

I'm also extremely skeptical about doing Salvia alone, as many users report forgetting that they smoked it during the experience. Many reports also mention moving around during the experience without realizing it. Now, I've had several solo trips with mushrooms, LSD, and DMT, but Salvia really seems like a beast that requires a trip sitter, at least at high doses. What do you guys think?

I figure I might try it at very small doses to get a feel for it, and then take it from there. Based on the reports, the Salvia space just seems so bizarre - I can't really imagine how one could forget having done a drug and start wandering around under its influence. The thought of wandering around in some amnesic Salvia trance - even just inside my house - is really unnerving though.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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My advice for how to take salvia; don't. Put it in the bin instead.

Salvia just feels malevolent. I rarely hear people having had a good experience. Not to say it doesn't happen because it does, sometimes. But in my experience it's just awful. Both the bodily sensations and the actual trip. It's just awful. And potentially very dangerous if done alone you could easily hurt yourself whilst disoriented. It is absolutely nothing like psychedelics in any real way.

Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.

The gravity sensations you talk about feels like pins and needles X 100 whilst being forced down to the ground by something that wants to crush you alive.

It's so easy to accidentally smoke too much or hold it in too long or whatever. It makes the difference between something that is semi-manageable and an absolute nightmare.

Just YouTube 'salvia trips' or 'bad salvia trips' to get an idea because they pretty accurately show what happens to a LOT of people. This is a pretty normal reaction you'll see. It's not how everyone reacts, but a lot.

Be careful and don't do it alone.


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Edited by MrCraggles (02/04/19 03:38 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 2
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nube424 said:
I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.



That advice is really irresponsible. 10X is extremely potent stuff and he could very easily hurt himself and generally need help.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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MrCraggles said:
My advice for how to take salvia; don't. Put it in the bin instead.

Salvia just feels malevolent. I rarely hear people having had a good experience. Not to say it doesn't happen because it does, sometimes. But in my experience it's just awful. Both the bodily sensations and the actual trip. It's just awful. And potentially very dangerous if done alone you could easily hurt yourself whilst disoriented. It is absolutely nothing like psychedelics in any real way.

Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.

The gravity sensations you talk about feels like pins and needles X 100 whilst being forced down to the ground by something that wants to crush you alive.

It's so easy to accidentally smoke too much or hold it in too long or whatever. It makes the difference between something that is semi-manageable and an absolute nightmare.

Just YouTube 'salvia trips' or 'bad salvia trips' to get an idea because they pretty accurately show what happens to a LOT of people. This is a pretty normal reaction you'll see. It's not how everyone reacts, but a lot.

Be careful and don't do it alone.


I just want to say I have had some good trips on it, although some very very frightening ones. However, I have to disagree that it's "not like psychedelics". It is like psychedelics in the sense that it alters your perception and can give you profound insights about the nature of reality and the mind. It's just not like "classical" psychedelics in the sense that the trip feels a lot different compared to LSD or mushrooms and tends to be more unnerving/off putting to the average person.

If you are looking for something that's like mushrooms/LSD/DMT/mescaline and you try salvia, you will probably be disappointed. However if you are looking for something completely new and different, then salvia is certainly that. While it doesn't exactly have widespread appeal, there are many individuals who have deep appreciation for salvia. It's a very interesting plant.


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Edited by Peyote Road (02/04/19 04:23 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Peyote Road]
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Here’s a fun idea... how about we don’t recommend some one not need a sitter for a substance they’ve never tried
Especially one we all know to be extremely strong ...?
We have to be better than that here guys, this is real life lol

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
nube424 said:
I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.



That advice is really irresponsible. 10X is extremely potent stuff and he could very easily hurt himself and generally need help.


10x salvia is potent stuff? I've smoked it in public. 10x is mild compared to the other extracts. It's just salvia. It's perfectly fine to use by urself. Op said they have solo trips on shrooms L and dmt. He/she can handle it. I was smoking 20x with I was a kid, back in 05 when it was everywhere.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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I think people who think 10x isn't potent has never had real 10x. There is some shitty marketing out there where I believe the concentration has been embellished by a factor of ten. I'm sure there is a product out there that does this. I've read people talk about smoking 120x ... unless it's practically a gum then that's horseshit.

Real 10x is very, very strong. And only takes 1/10 of a gram to be completely out of your body.

OP, just know that if you work your way up the trip will be get to being very different. Low level trips are pretty easy to deal with and you might stay in your room the whole time. Bump up the dosage by another 50% and you might find yourself in the cosmic meat-grinder.

Personally I would suggest going all in the first time because even if you start slow it might be so weird that you might not ever do it again. Measure out 1/10 of a gram and hit it hard and long. Make sure you're sitting down and there's nothing sharp around and nothing you could trip over in case you walk around lol.

Salvia is the weirdest drug out there. So familiar yet so alien.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 1
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Not sure about 10x but smoking plain leaf was near impossible to break thru. and 20x had me waking up in a different room speaking in tongues. probably best to play it safe

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: mt cleverest]
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Yea if u smoke 1/10 of a gram it'll be strong. Most people just smoke a good pinch. I had real 10x, but I was used to 20x.. and when I smoked 20x it was so crazy, like flash backs to being a baby n shit.

I do know that they vary alot. Cuz I've smoked some pretty weak 10x, and I've had good 10x. But I still feel like a hit of 10x is manageable by urself, especially since op stated they did L shrooms and DMT solo. If u can handle those solo u can handle salvia. All it does it completely fuck ur motor skills and make u trip for 10 minutes.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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MrCraggles said:
Funny you mention conveyor belts. My first real salvia trip I was on a conveyor belt with thousands of other people that were all laid down also tripping and a woman was pointing at me screaming 'you're just like the rest of them, you're just like the rest of them!' and in real life I was screaming, sweating, slavering, panicking.


That sounds so fucking scary, yet oddly intriguing. I'll probably never try to smoke salvia anyway, might chew it though. Or however you're actually supposed to use it.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999] * 1
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Ur supposed to smoke it if u wanna trip lol.

And that's why u don't do it in public. If u do it at home the worst it's gonna make u do is say weird shit and not be able to move.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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counterpoint to above post >

it is possible to break through with plain leaf though it takes some determination. grind it up fine and bow up on a nice packed bowl and boom! I grow my own so it might be better quality, but I've certainly got there on commercial plain leaf.

it doesn't necessarily fuck up your motor skills. I've found myself walking down a trail when I come to. I've watched a guy get up off the ground and jump over a couch and walk down my hallway into another room and sit down and he had no clue how he got there.

it's all manageable if you take precautions but there's no fucking way I would ever smoke 10x in public. And there isn't a definite timeline - the first time I ever smoked it (if not lvl 6 trip as defined by daniel siebert I don't know what it was) I was gone for nearly 25 minutes as my friend kept the time.

Another reason I suggest people go all in their first time is because if you get scared off with a very low level trip then you will never know exactly what this molecule is capable of.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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That is very true sir. I still feel like someone that's experienced with psychos would be fine doing 10x alone. But he's gonna do whatever he wants no matter what we say. If u can ride out DMT by urself, u can handle salvia. IMO of course. I mean salvia ducks u up, but it's not like it's unbearable or overwhelming. Ur kinda just along for the ride.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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Not to mention, if ur scared of hurting urself on drugs, don't do drugs.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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I totally agree on being able to handle things by yourself. I made sure I had a sitter the first time I did ayahuasca to make sure I didn't somehow OD myself.

The same salvia experience where my friend jumped over the couch ... right before that he was trying to thrash (for lack of better term) all the books out  of my bookcase. I mean, you might wreck your room or run off a cliff and have no idea it was happening. I used to tell people that your best bet is to go into a nice room, close the door and lay on the bed under the covers and then smoke. The covers and closed door should keep you from roaming about.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424] * 1
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nube424 said:
Ur supposed to smoke it if u wanna trip lol.

And that's why u don't do it in public. If u do it at home the worst it's gonna make u do is say weird shit and not be able to move.


Whenever people start talking about salvia there's always some dude(s) claiming that smoking it ruins the whole experience. Sure you might get those mind shattering experiences when you smoke, but that's not what everyone is looking. I have barely done any kind reserach though so I'm pulling all of this out of my ass.

Also on an unrelated note this, don't know if it's ok to laugh lol


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Edited by hejAdig999 (02/04/19 10:32 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999]
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yeah

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999]
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Substances like salvia and DMT are best enjoyed alone IMO. Even sitters can take away from the experience in a lot of ways. Just prepare and take the proper precautions. I like to just sit on the floor with a blanket and pillow. Set the pipe down and lay back or stay sitting up. It will be okay, you can't go by what people say about it. Some people find it aggressive but others find it to be beautiful and gentle.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: SonicTitan] * 1
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small pinch of 10x smoked in a safe place alone is good
some water in a plastic cup or bottle is good, note paper and some pencils or ball pen is good.

safe means you can't wander far, and you wont fall down stairs or out of a window.

even a small pinch could get you wandering with poor discrimination.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: redgreenvines]
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I got some a long time ago and I didn't like it. The stuff came in the mail and I was anxious to try it. So I stuffed a bunch into my pipe and smoked it down. I suddenly had the sensation like I was being sucked backwards through a tunnel. It was fatiguing to think. I sat on the couch and I could see that everything was breathing. The psychedelic visuals were everywhere. But I was plagued by this sickly feeling in my head. A slight dizziness. I really didn't enjoy it and I just sat there waiting for it two wear off, which didn't take long. No interest in trying it again - I gave the remaining salvia to a friend. I don't think he liked it either.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Universe]
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Thanks for the input guys. I’m less concerned about handling the mental effects because I’ve ridden out some terrifying times on DMT and mushrooms. But even at the peak of the terror, I’ve always been aware that I’ve taken a drug, and I’ve always been in control of my body. Based on reports, it seems like there’s a huge difference between low and high dose salvia, so I’ll probably hold off on anything too crazy solo. Not worth the risk.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles]
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this is true dont do salvia alone is a risk to do it. My friend wi x10 almost die because we was throwing himself to the floor. So take care

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Pokazu]
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if you reach level 4 on the siebert scale, you may not remember that you have smoked salvia and will be wondering wtf and why is this happening. most of the time there isn't much wondering about anything because you don't know what 'you' are and what 'is' is. this is as hard to understand as it is to explain but you are basically just along for the ride and very little makes sense.

just have a trusted friend to sit there with you for the duration. I've only gotten up and walked around twice out of idk how many salvia trips, but it certainly does and can happen.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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^ Very helpful reply. Salvia sure is a helluva thing (based on reports). It seems pretty much entirely unique in terms of its mechanism of action and effects.

The visuals sound very unusual as well; I saw some reports making it sound like they're more in the mind's eye, instead of the visual cortex. The reports of childhood-like nostalgia sound cool too.

Anyway, looking forward to hangin with my boy and trying it in the not too distant future.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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funny - level 4 is visionary, level 6 is amnesia, but these levels are not plateaus as such, at "level 4" over a period of 30 seconds you are briefly in a fluctuation of levels 3,4,5, &6 but for at least 15 seconds it will really match the description of level 4 more or less.

so it is true that you can forget who you are and why you are there while in level 4, but this will quickly morph into the visionary kind of experience you would come to expect from the dosage as a seasoned user.

However, at level 6 you will retain nothing at all for up to 10 minutes during which time you could have ripped your clothes off, broken through the window, ruined the front garden and raced naked into traffic or the crowd.

the idea is that you titrate up to a smoked measure of your salvia material, from a tiny pinch to a larger but still smallish pinch that you are "comfortable" with, and do not smoke larger pinches than that.

It's not like how many beers you can drink fun.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: redgreenvines]
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I guess it’s dependent on the person but I personally never had any problems taking it alone. I used to do most of my experimenting alone or laying next to a sleeping partner. I never got up and walked around but I’m sure anything is possible. Salvia is one I don’t really recommend, except as something to experience, for the experiences sake. It’s one saving grace is it’s a mercifully short experience.

It tastes like it feels....

It’s the purest example of ego death I ever encountered which eliminates any chance of enjoying the experience objectivly on an intellectual level, and makes the existential horror it can produce, seem very real indeed.

Transforming into an inanimate object is not fun therefore, because to all intents and purposes you really do transform into an inanimate object, and because time is also wiped out, along with the ego, it’s as if you really always have been the lifeless object. That was just not fun! Your sense of self must be operating somewhere though I think, on an unconscious level, which is why one is so terrified/repulsed. I anyway, certainly wasn’t able to let go, and accept that I was inanimate and meaningless object!

In hindsight it’s s cool tee shirt to own, and you’ll be able to share your space stories, but personally I think there’s some experiences and knowledge that you’re best without, especially at the time!


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: wolf8312]
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Inanimated objects, yes.

I became a snail shell once, helically spun behind my back. Anotrher time I was my living's room table, even felt the wooden structure on my skin.

Other times my entire vision split into several dimension sheets, like pages of a book that get septated or shuffled, and I felt a strong presence orbiting my head in a high frequency.

For me, a big bowl of plain leaf is enough to transform myself completly.
Usually, the gravitational body sensation are mainly felt with closed eyes. As soon as I open my eyes they are gone.

Salvia is wired stuff. :lol:

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Pandemoon]
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OK, so there are the female entities that you can't really see (or inhabit a plant you're looking at) which usually watch over you, speak to you or each other and are judgmental. If you smoke enough that female entity could become a fully formed human from your past. I saw a coworkers grand-daughter from three different angles before one of her pupils got bigger and bigger and stretched the rest of her head away.

But there are also male entities. To me they're almost always disinterested and like little silhouetted shadow wax man workers all milling about in different directions by the millions. One time I saw kind of like the post above with the pages effect but it was like a projection of one after the other mirror images of a male presences holding a fish.

In best Forrest Gump voice: Salvia is like a box of chocolates ...

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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I’ve only ever smoked salvia twice in my life. First time was with friends, and it just made me a bit weird and I had the sort of laughies but with a real deep tone to my voice.

Then I went home and smashed in 2 pipes of the stuff. I got lost in my flat, I was walking from the bedroom to the living room but oddly kept ending up back in my bedroom. Then it’s funny you talk about gravitational force because it felt like I had these 2 giant hands pushing me down to the floor, and I had absolutely no control.

It worn off after 5-10 minutes though. My advice is to start small. Apparently it’s better to make a tea with it and makes the feelings more pleasant.

Hope it all goes well.

Edited by FuzzyBallz (02/07/19 11:55 AM)

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: FuzzyBallz]
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I've never seen a good dosage guide for tea ... it's usually like 'use a bunch' because of its insolubility.

I've quidded before and the only thing I remember was kinda like looking up at the clock and the minute hand was stuck and then nothing, black, woke up later. I had also taken Valium that day so I don't know if it just made me groggy and then I passed out. I may try it again some day since that's how the Mazatecs typically did it (at least Maria Sabina).

Part of me is only a little trepidatious about that because a 30+ minute salvia plateau sounds challenging. I understand it's supposed to be a softer, more meaningful deal akin to smoking dmt vs. ayahuasca, but I just don't know. It's still salvinorin in your bloodstream and I think I'm kind of a soft-head and it doesn't take much to feel that other-worldliness.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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Wow, this thread has been really helpful. I am approaching this with more caution than I have for any other drug. I will test the waters extremely gradually, and will not go too deep without a supervisor. I know this ain't no party; I'm just fascinated by the way Salvia seems to hit at a key facet of consciousness - kappa opiod receptors in the claustrum - that nothing else seems to touch.

One thing I love about the shroomery is that we can have a good thread without anyone telling me to hit the search button (which I did by the way, with some success). But I'm also just really intrigued by reading all these Salvia reports about how Salvia alters consciousness (possibly by disrupting information integration in the claustrum), so I figured this might make a nice thread for Salvia discussion. You guys definitely delivered on that.

As for quidding, I agree with lurk - sounds like it'd get very difficult if you took too much. But many people rave about it and make it seem gentler and safer than smoking, so I'm intrigued. I'm also a soft-head. Still might get a Salvia plant just for fun.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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I've also heard of people mixing extract with bubble gum and chewing on it with success. I've never tried it.

Yo breeg, I commend you for going into this like you are. You seem to have the right attitude and goals in mind. Best of luck to you!

And you're right about how fascinating it is that it targets the kappa opiod receptors. I've never tried anything like this but I would bet a sawbuck that you could stab someone who is in the middle of a strong trip and they wouldn't know it. The way it makes you feel and the way you perceive things is not of this reality ... it's so hard to explain but there is something about when it first starts hitting you that is so new but feels like it's familiar at the same time. You'll know what I'm talking about when you do it.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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breeg89 said: As for quidding, I agree with lurk - sounds like it'd get very difficult if you took too much.


In my experience, there is a plateau one hits in terms of depth of a quidding experience.  And it's nowhere near the depth of a smoked journey.  It might be more than some would like, but it will max out way before a smoked journey will.  Most people have more trouble getting quids to work in the first place...I've rarely heard of someone saying it was too much. 

If interested in quidding, you can find several 'salvia quid' threads over the last year with plenty of details and tips/hints for making it work...or just ask for details :-)

Please tell us how your trips go once you give it a try.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: physics envy]
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Have any of you with experience on salvia ever tried synthetic weed as well? I've heard from friends the experience is very similar and if that's even half true I'm not going to touch salvia with a 10 foot pole :lol:


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Dr.Satan]
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Na. It's not the same drug at all. Salvia is relatively safe. Synthetic weed is NOT SAFE. a couple months ago in New haven ct, over 100 people overdosed on synthetic weed on the green downtown. Look up the story. It's crazy.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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fake weed and salvia are nothing alike. </theend>

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: MrCraggles]
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MrCraggles said:
nube424 said:
I dont really think u need a sitter, especially for 10x. Put a big pinch in a bong and smoke the whole thing. Its weird, but with 10x ull be fine. If u like the experiemce, i strongly reccomend 20x.



That advice is really irresponsible. 10X is extremely potent stuff and he could very easily hurt himself and generally need help.


Agreed.  Plain leaf got me going pretty good and 5x freaked me the fuck out.  Haven’t messed with it since


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: individualist]
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Thanks lurk. I've seen others describe it as "familiar" too - very eerie to think about.

Yeah I messed around with fake weed almost ten years ago now (can't believe its already been ten years). I had some good times with it, but also some terrible times. Salvia doesn't really sound too similar to it, but I couldn't say for sure. Although I did have a black out on some JWH powder sprinkled on a bowl of real weed back in the day. Very intense stuff.

It'd be nice to have some plain leaf. I think part of the problem is that people take huge doses of extracts without realizing what the X factor means. Assuming it's a true 10x, that would make 50-100 mg freak out territory. That's not a large pinch.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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I've had plain, 5x 10x and 20x. Yes, 10x is strong. But I feel it's the perfect extract for tripping and staying in control. And 100mg of salvia is alot more than day, 100mg of weed. If u split a gram of salvia 10 ways, they are pretty big pinches. But that's like the perfect dose If u wanna have an experience.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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^ Yeah, true nube - 100 mg of 10x is a good-sized pile. I've been messing with the extract a little bit, and having a nice little Saturday night. I put ~10-20 mg onto a small bit of weed in a bowl (just to act as a bed), and I've taken a couple cautious (but decent) pulls over the course of the evening (trying to just vaporize the extract with the heat from the lighter to burn the weed as little as possible).

Pretty mild, but seems like something is there. Mild anxiety at first, but settled into mellow euphoria. Noticed some fleeting changes in depth perception. I could get into this on its own or mixed with weed. Need to get a cutting just for fun.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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Salvia mixed with weed makes the weed high trippier than it is.
I always got very very stoned when I mixed some pain salvia in the weedbowl.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: Pandemoon]
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I haven't met much people that enjoy salvia (but me).  First time was many years ago with 60x which is most likely why everyone I tried it with never did it again.

It is a weird experience to take a hit of something and literally within a second forgot that you did it.  My experiences have been good and bad... from watching my brother walking through a wall to thinking I fell in the ocean.

I would suggest a trip sitter but want to point out that with and without one are 2 different experiences.  I always find that with a trip sitter I am spending my whole time trying to make her understand me while being by myself really let's me shed the ego and just be.  Definitely a hallucinogen but not comparable to mushies that is for sure.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: themachine420]
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I always feel like I got trapped in another wavelength.  I can talk and make perfect sense but the others around me who aren't on it don't understand any of it.  Almost like being the ghosts on 'The Sixth Sense".

I've been curious to see about the effects of microdosing salvia too.  I know acid and mushroom microdosing have some pretty profound benefits but have found very limited info on salvia microdosing as well as just general studies.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: themachine420]
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breeg, 10-20 mgs is getting your feet wet but I would be able to talk to a cop after smoking that much. I understand wanting to start slowly, but don't stop at that amount if you really want to know.

I would typically recommend 100 mg of 10x if you're ready for the full experience. Actually, 100mg is going to be anywhere from a lvl 3.5-5 - it depends on the person. It's not so easy to put it into levels and such because every trip is different. But 10-20 mgs is something like a level .5-1 ... and go ahead and smoke just the salvia so you won't have to try to be tricky with your lighter and you can just torch the hell out of it.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: themachine420]
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It would be hard to microdose. Even 1 hit of plain leaf makes u sweat and feel weird.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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lurkmode said:
breeg, 10-20 mgs is getting your feet wet but I would be able to talk to a cop after smoking that much. I understand wanting to start slowly, but don't stop at that amount if you really want to know.

I would typically recommend 100 mg of 10x if you're ready for the full experience. Actually, 100mg is going to be anywhere from a lvl 3.5-5 - it depends on the person. It's not so easy to put it into levels and such because every trip is different. But 10-20 mgs is something like a level .5-1 ... and go ahead and smoke just the salvia so you won't have to try to be tricky with your lighter and you can just torch the hell out of it.


Oh, I ain't done by a long shot. I don't have the bawls to do 100 mg solo though - would be a different story if I could trust that I would be immobilized, like with DMT. In fact, I've never done DMT with anyone else, and was able to get up to 50 mg fairly quickly (albeit with some profound fear). The effects of Salvia are just too unusual, and the extract potency is too variable. I will probably go a little deeper solo, and anxiously awaiting doing more with my friend (but that won't be for a while). But yeah, I'll ditch the weed. I think mixing plain leaf in with weed will be very nice.

I also had a downright terrifying mushroom trip a couple years ago, and that terror has crept into my last two trips over the last year or so. So now I like to be very cautious with things just because that anxiety and panic can really haunt you.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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go into your bedroom and remove anything you might trip over or impale yourself on, close the door and lay in bed with the covers over you. That's your best bet of staying still. The chances of getting up are small to begin with. Even if you do there's enough of your lizard brain working that you probably won't walk into the wall or anything.

I know when I first did it my buddy told me I walked around his deck some. I walked over to his backdoor and couldn't open the knob - like I didn't have enough strength or understanding to turn the knob. Then I walked back and forth between two chairs. One time I came to walking down a hiking trail. Like I came out of a black tunnel and wham walking down a trail in the woods. I was about 100 yards from my camp chair that was turned over on its side.

It's hard to make any sense of this but although you are totally out of it you still have some ability to navigate and control over your motor functions. But like I said, I've only walked around twice in around a hundred salvia trips (guessing, I don't keep count of such things).

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: lurkmode]
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There's a video on youtube where a guy gets up and jumps out of the window. No way of knowing if it was actually salvia though.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999]
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a few times I found myself on the stairs with my feet attached backwards. avoid staircases.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: redgreenvines]
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I would smoke it on ground level. First floor or even outside if it's not too cold or public. Laying on the grass, not much can happen except some grass stains :lol:

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: nube424]
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I think on your bed is best.
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Re: Salvia alone [Re: redgreenvines]
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Really good advice from lurk and RGV - slowly getting there. I ditched the weed and got a solid hit, holding in all the smoke (small pinch, but I'm a softhead with most things and I'm thinking Salvia is no exception). I started to feel like my vision was somehow out of sync with my brain. It felt like my eyes were aligned at a particular horizontal plane, and my head was moving on a discrete horizontal swivel. Can't really explain it, but not at all unpleasant. Then I got the sensation of being elongated, with my head being gently pulled upward and to the right, as if starting to curl into a spiral. This wasn't frightening at all, but was actually very euphoric. After a few more minutes, this upward curl reversed itself, and I was returned to my normal form.

I know I'm not even scratching the surface yet, but I'm a big fan of these low dose experiences. I think I could really get into quidding to prolong these types of effects, and I'm sure I could up the intensity with quid as well. It's a shame that Salvia has gotten such a bad rep from people failing to respect it.

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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quidding is messy and I found it disappointing in comparison with smoking small amounts and stretching time and space for a short time.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: redgreenvines]
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Here for a good time, not a long time

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Re: Salvia alone [Re: breeg89]
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breeg89 said:
I know I'm not even scratching the surface yet, but I'm a big fan of these low dose experiences. I think I could really get into quidding to prolong these types of effects, and I'm sure I could up the intensity with quid as well.


IME, quidding doesn't give quite the same type of stretching/flattening/rolling effect so common to smoking, but does give the 'awareness on a swivel' effect. 

For me, generally, it's more like my awareness gets bigger...larger than my body...and I mentally picture others in the same way.  Sometimes this can be unnerving because there's a feeling that everyone knows what everyone else is doing at this level (I find this feeling often happens when smoking as well...but even moreso.)

And also there is this 'unfolding' of awareness, like a flower that is opening up.  And you can also spend time practicing attaching and detaching your awareness from your body because you're very close...it's a subtle but obvious ability.  Like a magnetic attachment that you can work with.  When you smoke, you typically are quickly detached and taken much farther away until it wears off and you then quickly reattach and you don't have the same options.

And there are ways to quid which are not messy and you don't risk drooling all over yourself so much...


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: physics envy]
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It must suck, or I think LSD alone is not good. Salvia on LSD seems like a good idea, similar to DMT. For some reason DMT on mushrooms never really worked for me, because of cross tolerance. Salvia alone is like DMT. Smoking it isn't recommended and they say you have to chew the quid, so using your own plant instead of extract is better, supposedly, or longer lasting (like 45 minutes). If you need it to last longer it could be mushrooms or ayahuasca you're looking for, but peyote is supposed to be the best.


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Re: Salvia alone [Re: hejAdig999] * 1
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hejAdig999 said:
There's a video on youtube where a guy gets up and jumps out of the window. No way of knowing if it was actually salvia though.


I just found this, and it's from the video lol :breakout:


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