ballsalsa said:

I like arguing about shit.

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Konyap said:

my ancestors paid money and got on boat when they were in their teens
they came through customs, joined the army
they werent criminals

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In 1821, the Mexican War for Independence severed the control that Spain had exercised on its North American territories, and the new country of Mexico was formed from much of the lands that had comprised New Spain, including Spanish Texas.[85] The 1824 Constitution of Mexico joined Texas with Coahuila to form the state of Coahuila y Tejas.[86] The Congress did allow Texas the option of forming its own state "as soon as it feels capable of doing so."[87]

The same year, Mexico enacted the General Colonization Law, which enabled all heads of household, regardless of race or immigrant status, to claim land in Mexico.[88] Mexico had neither manpower nor funds to protect settlers from near-constant Comanche raids and it hoped that getting more settlers into the area could control the raids. The government liberalized its immigration policies, allowing for settlers from the United States to immigrate to Texas.[89]

The first empresarial grant had been made under Spanish control to Moses Austin. The grant was passed to his son Stephen F. Austin, whose settlers, known as the Old Three Hundred, settled along the Brazos River in 1822.[90] The grant was later ratified by the Mexican government.[91] Twenty-three other empresarios brought settlers to the state, the majority from the United States of America.[92]

Many (estimate of about 1 in 70 being the national average for 1860[93]) of the Anglo-American settlers owned slaves. Mexico granted Texas a one-year exemption from the national edict of 1829 outlawing slavery, but Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante ordered that all slaves be freed in 1830.[94][95] To circumvent the law, the colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants "for life."[96] By 1836 there were 5,000 enslaved African Americans in Texas.[97]

Bustamante outlawed the immigration of United States citizens to Texas in 1830.[95] Several new presidios were established in the region to monitor immigration and customs practices.[98] The new laws also called for the enforcement of customs duties, angering both native Mexican citizens (Tejanos) and Anglos.[99] In 1832, a group of men led a revolt against customs enforcement in Anahuac. These Anahuac Disturbances coincided with a revolt in Mexico against the current president.[100] Texans sided with the federalists against the current government and after the Battle of Nacogdoches, drove all Mexican soldiers out of East Texas.[101]

Texans took advantage of the lack of oversight to agitate for more political freedom, resulting in the Convention of 1832. Among other issues, the convention demanded that U.S. citizens be allowed to immigrate into Texas, and requested independent statehood for the area.[102][103] The following year, Texians reiterated their demands at the Convention of 1833. After presenting their petition, courier Stephen F. Austin was jailed for the next two years in Mexico City on suspicion of treason.[104] Although Mexico implemented several measures to appease the colonists,[105] President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's measures to transform Mexico from a federalist to a centralist state provided an excuse for the Texan colonists to revolt.[106]

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koods said:

ballsalsa said:

I like arguing about shit.

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I have the best shits. My turds have the highest ratings and nobody has better formed feces than me.

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ballsalsa said:

I mean, the founding of Texas qualifies as a multi-national immigration dispute along the southern border all on its own.  A bunch of white folks moved to mexico, revolted, then voted to let the U.S. annex them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Texas#Mexican_Texas:_1821%E2%80%931836

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In 1821, the Mexican War for Independence severed the control that Spain had exercised on its North American territories, and the new country of Mexico was formed from much of the lands that had comprised New Spain, including Spanish Texas.[85] The 1824 Constitution of Mexico joined Texas with Coahuila to form the state of Coahuila y Tejas.[86] The Congress did allow Texas the option of forming its own state "as soon as it feels capable of doing so."[87]

The same year, Mexico enacted the General Colonization Law, which enabled all heads of household, regardless of race or immigrant status, to claim land in Mexico.[88] Mexico had neither manpower nor funds to protect settlers from near-constant Comanche raids and it hoped that getting more settlers into the area could control the raids. The government liberalized its immigration policies, allowing for settlers from the United States to immigrate to Texas.[89]

The first empresarial grant had been made under Spanish control to Moses Austin. The grant was passed to his son Stephen F. Austin, whose settlers, known as the Old Three Hundred, settled along the Brazos River in 1822.[90] The grant was later ratified by the Mexican government.[91] Twenty-three other empresarios brought settlers to the state, the majority from the United States of America.[92]

Many (estimate of about 1 in 70 being the national average for 1860[93]) of the Anglo-American settlers owned slaves. Mexico granted Texas a one-year exemption from the national edict of 1829 outlawing slavery, but Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante ordered that all slaves be freed in 1830.[94][95] To circumvent the law, the colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants "for life."[96] By 1836 there were 5,000 enslaved African Americans in Texas.[97]

Bustamante outlawed the immigration of United States citizens to Texas in 1830.[95] Several new presidios were established in the region to monitor immigration and customs practices.[98] The new laws also called for the enforcement of customs duties, angering both native Mexican citizens (Tejanos) and Anglos.[99] In 1832, a group of men led a revolt against customs enforcement in Anahuac. These Anahuac Disturbances coincided with a revolt in Mexico against the current president.[100] Texans sided with the federalists against the current government and after the Battle of Nacogdoches, drove all Mexican soldiers out of East Texas.[101]

Texans took advantage of the lack of oversight to agitate for more political freedom, resulting in the Convention of 1832. Among other issues, the convention demanded that U.S. citizens be allowed to immigrate into Texas, and requested independent statehood for the area.[102][103] The following year, Texians reiterated their demands at the Convention of 1833. After presenting their petition, courier Stephen F. Austin was jailed for the next two years in Mexico City on suspicion of treason.[104] Although Mexico implemented several measures to appease the colonists,[105] President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna's measures to transform Mexico from a federalist to a centralist state provided an excuse for the Texan colonists to revolt.[106]

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Thanks for sharing. Agreed

ballsalsa said:

I agree with almost all of your points, just not the 2001 timeline.    I'm not sure why you've dug your heels in on this one.

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krypto2000 said:

You guys seems to now be equating racism against Mexicans with illegal immigration specifically. Whenever I do that I am told it doesn't have anything to do with racism, you can't have it both ways.

If you want to contend that the same applies today then I am fine with that and eill agree, but the issue is illegsl immigration from the southern border. You have to remember that other people like qman and XUL, whom I was initially responding to, believe it has to do with other matters and racism is not a major factor so I am trying to bring the debate within their worldview. I chose my words very carefully. You can't concite the two when convenient yet deny a relation when it's not.

@MagicMush the reason we are only talking about illegsl immigrants from the southern border is because that is all that would be affected by the wall. My position is thst the wall is not economical and would do little to fix the issue as well as that the issue itself is largely contrived.

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koods said:

ballsalsa said:

I like arguing about shit.

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I have the best shits. My turds have the highest ratings and nobody has better formed feces than me.

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Konyap said:

my ancestors paid money and got on boat when they were in their teens
they came through customs/joined the army
they werent criminals

either those people come here legally or we invade
pick one

I can't believe someone brought up being a line cook, i used to do that 8-10 hours a day on the weekend until 4am in college when I was taking some hard ass courses

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koods said:

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functioned by granting them citizenship. Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border. Immigration was not even a public issue until 2001 as a response to the war on terror.

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Those folks that came to America by the boatload in the 1800s and 1900s didn’t have visas. They just came and were let in and conservatives love to romanticize those immigrants.

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