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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: MagicMush123]
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ballsalsa said:
No, you specified that there were no quotas on mexican immigrarion until the 60's and yhen said yhat immigration was not a national issue until 2001.  You were wrong, even though your heart is in the right place.  I already used the 86 ammesty bill as an example, i didn't even need the Chinese exclusion act to make my point



What did I say that you are disputing? There were no quotas until '65, the wetback thing was about illegal entries, and by national issue I meant popular as in a common talking point amongst people acrosd the nation, not national as in federal.

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Colonialists weren't immigrants and the United states has had a long racist history with Mexico. Mexican immigration to the states legal or illegal has been a hot topic for at least half a century



Yeah.. agreed. :shrug: Half a century puts us at 1968...

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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well before 2001.  That was the statement in dispute.  I thought I made that clear in my first response.  People didn't suddenly start talking about immigration after 9/11.  It has been a wedge issue for at least my whole life. Full stop.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
ballsalsa said:
No, you specified that there were no quotas on mexican immigrarion until the 60's and yhen said yhat immigration was not a national issue until 2001.  You were wrong, even though your heart is in the right place.  I already used the 86 ammesty bill as an example, i didn't even need the Chinese exclusion act to make my point



What did I say that you are disputing? There were no quotas until '65, the wetback thing was about illegal entries, and by national issue I meant popular as in a common talking point amongst people acrosd the nation, not national as in federal.

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Colonialists weren't immigrants and the United states has had a long racist history with Mexico. Mexican immigration to the states legal or illegal has been a hot topic for at least half a century



Yeah.. agreed. :shrug: Half a century puts us at 1968...



You said that immigration wasn't a national issue until 2001, but its been an issue for almost a century. The slogan "real jobs for real Americans" goes back to at least the 30s and was used to scapegoat the Mexicans for America's economic woes. So yea, immigration had been a contentious issue for years, and is no way in response to the war on terror.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: MagicMush123]
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I said to someone that yes, immigration has been an issue since the colonials arrived to some degree, but we're talking about illegal immigration, specifically south of the border (the only place the wall would affect).

With that said I don't see how your anecdote disputes that. You brought up the chinese exclusion and that California had issues citing a bill in 1994. California would be one of the first states affected, it stands to reason it would be a state wide issue on those near the mexican border sooner than it would be a national issue does it not? Is 7 years really that out of the range for it to expand?

I still don't even hear it talked about locally where I live and I didn't hear it talked about much at all until sometime during Bush's presidency, I'm only citing 2001 as thst makes the most sense when analyzing historical events.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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Why would congress need to pass an amnesty bill in 1986 if immigration(see: mexicans, illegal) wasn't a controversial national issue?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa]
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That act seems to be primarily pro immigration though and grants additional illegals citizenship, approximately half of them iirc per the article.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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indeed, but what do you think the impetus for its genesis was?  Does it make sense that the public at large was apathetic about immigration and congress just passed it for shits and giggles?  What did reagan say about it?


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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You have the Chinese exclusion act, the immigration act of 1924, etc. I don't know how much more proof you need

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: MagicMush123]
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MagicMush123 said:
You have the Chinese exclusion act, the immigration act of 1924, etc. I don't know how much more proof you need



It would seem as if you haven't been following the conversation.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
MagicMush123 said:
You have the Chinese exclusion act, the immigration act of 1924, etc. I don't know how much more proof you need



It would seem as if you haven't been following the conversation.



:lolwut:

The 1924 immigration act effectively put a figurative wall up curbing immigration to usa. Also disproves your notion that there were quotas on immigration prior to the 60s

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: MagicMush123]
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krypto2000 said:
Right, until the late 1800's or early 1900's there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant.



The 1924 act disputes that?

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Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border.



As I said, you do not seem to have been following the thread. I never said what you seem to think I did.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: MagicMush123]
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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Stable Genius]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoot_Suit_Riots
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The Zoot Suit Riots were a series of conflicts on June 3–8, 1943 in Los Angeles, California, United States, which pitted American servicemen stationed in Southern California against Mexican-American youths and other minorities who were residents of the city. It was one of the dozen wartime industrial cities that suffered racial-related riots in the summer of 1943, along with Mobile, Alabama; Beaumont, Texas; Detroit, Michigan; and New York City.

American servicemen and white civilians attacked and stripped children, teens, and youths who wore zoot suits, ostensibly because they considered the outfits to be unpatriotic during World War II, as they had a lot of fabric. Rationing of fabric was required at the time for the war effort. The conflicts were rooted in and an expression of racism against Mexicans and Mexican-Americans. While most of the violence was directed toward Mexican-American youth, young African-American and Filipino-Americans who were wearing zoot suits were also attacked.[1]

The Zoot Suit Riots were related to fears and hostilities aroused by the coverage of the Sleepy Lagoon murder trial, following the killing of a young Latino man in a barrio near Los Angeles. The riot appeared to trigger similar attacks that year against Latinos in Chicago, San Diego, Oakland, Evansville, Philadelphia, and New York City.[2]



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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
krypto2000 said:
Right, until the late 1800's or early 1900's there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant.



The 1924 act disputes that?

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Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border.



As I said, you do not seem to have been following the thread. I never said what you seem to think I did.



My bad. I dont know why it matters when exactly the term illegal immigrant came to use. I already mentioned that problems start out small and grow bigger until they are too big to ignore.
Either way it was before 2001 and before 1965. And i don't know why you want to limit the argument to strictly Mexicans when immigrants came from throughout the world. First they came for Chinese as the Chinese were the biggest issue of the time

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

Then they limited asian immigration
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1917

Then European

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/08/13/the-time-a-president-deported-1-million-mexican-americans-for-stealing-u-s-jobs/?utm_term=.0c45e90be989

And this might the first case of mass deportation of Mexicans in 1931.

So we basically checked off every box.

Mexican immigration has been a contentious issue sinse at least 1931 and other ethnic immigration was a contentious issue sinse the 1800s, America has a long racist history. Its not modern by any means

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
I still don't even hear it talked about locally where I live and I didn't hear it talked about much at all until sometime during Bush's presidency, I'm only citing 2001 as thst makes the most sense when analyzing historical events.



I don't think I can prove or disprove whether the people you personally know in your hometown talk much about immigration or not.  As far as historical events go, I think it's pretty clear that it has been contentious with regard to the southern border, on both sides of it, since at least 1845.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa]
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I actually wish more discussions in this forum were like this.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa]
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I wish more discussions like this came from politicians !

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa]
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Source?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: mycosis] * 1
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for my feelings about this forum?  or did you mean the 1845 thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Texas#Statehood,_war,_and_expansion:_1845%E2%80%931860
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On February 28, 1845, the U.S. Congress narrowly passed a bill that authorized the United States to annex the Republic of Texas if it so voted. The legislation set the date for annexation for December 29 of the same year. On October 13 of the same year, a majority of voters in Texas approved a proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and the slave trade. This constitution was later accepted by the U.S. Congress, making Texas a U.S. state on the same day annexation took effect (therefore bypassing a territorial phase).

The Mexican government had long warned that annexation would mean war with the United States. When Texas joined the U.S., the Mexican government broke diplomatic relations with the United States. The United States now assumed the claims of Texas when it claimed all land north of the Rio Grande. In June 1845, President James K. Polk sent General Zachary Taylor to Texas, and by October, 3,500 Americans were on the Nueces River, prepared to defend Texas from a Mexican invasion. On November 10, 1845,[126] Polk ordered General Taylor and his forces south to the Rio Grande, into disputed territory that Mexicans claimed as their own. Mexico claimed the Nueces River—about 150 miles (240 km) north of the Rio Grande—as its border with Texas.

On April 25, 1846, a 2,000-strong Mexican cavalry detachment attacked a 70-man U.S. patrol that had been sent into the contested territory north of the Rio Grande and south of the Nueces River. The Mexican cavalry routed the patrol, killing 16 U.S. soldiers in what later became known as the Thornton Affair. Both nations declared war. In the ensuing Mexican–American War, there were no more battles fought in Texas, but it became a major staging point for the American invasion of northern Mexico.



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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ballsalsa]
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I was just goofing. But do you want to argue about it or something? :crankey:

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