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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL]
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Telling of what? The only thing that tells me is that immigrants largely fall below the poverty line which is unsurprising. I think it's actually more telling that 35% of citizens do or have, thst seems a far bigger issue to me.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
Illegal immigrants are not eligible for food stamps, public housing, or whatever other delusional beliefs you hold. We've told you this before, why is it so hard to grasp? The only thing they are eligible for is emergency medical care and education. They also pay taxes.


Anchor babies change ALL of that ineligibility. "Why is it so hard to grasp?"

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 2
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Anxhor babies are not illegal, how hard is that to grasp? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal.

Do you guys care to debate the topic here thst you brought up or are you going to keep errecting new goal posts and hope we don't notice?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 2
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krypto2000 said:
XUL and Qman, let me ask you. Why do you intentionally remain so completely ignorant on this topic? You've raised this fake issue before and we've informed you that you're wrong, we've told you the facts, and you wimper away quietly because you knoe you're wrong and have no ground to stand on besides ignorance, which you guys never seem to have the constitution to admit.

Yet somehoe you then raise the point again later as if things have changed. Are you doing this on purpose or do you have some kind of cognitive issue that makes you forget? Is it some kind of racist victem complex where you want illegsl immigrants to have done these things so that you can justify your hatred of them? I just can't wrap my rational mind around how someone can function like that.


Ignorant of what exactly? Illegals and their children are a net drain of over a hundred billions of dollars on the US taxpayer every year.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
Anxhor babies are not illegal, how hard is that to grasp? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal. Do you guys care to debate the topic here thst you brought up or are you going to keep errecting new goal posts and hope we don't notice?


Where do anchor babies come from in the first place?  Yes, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, stop playing dumb on the subject matter.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
You never disproved that study.


The source is a right wing rag. Of course you can find support for your position, but it's not reputable.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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qman said:
koods said:
Places with more immigrants (illegal and legal) have higher median incomes.


Correlation isn't causation, there's many other factors at play here, I assuming you already know that fact.


You said immigrants are cheap labor and bring down wages. But that isn’t borne out in the data.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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qman said:
krypto2000 said:
Anxhor babies are not illegal, how hard is that to grasp? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal. Do you guys care to debate the topic here thst you brought up or are you going to keep errecting new goal posts and hope we don't notice?


Where do anchor babies come from in the first place?  Yes, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, stop playing dumb on the subject matter.


They’re American just like you


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 2
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koods said:
I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


in my 12 years in California i can think of maybe 5 guys that worked in the kitchens that were not latino and they were die hard work ethic type guys that would do pretty much anything to defend their pride in work, you just don't find people from the united states that have that work ethic for the pay. you get rid of illegals then most restaurants are going to close or significantly raise prices to the point that they will fail anyways. 

this goes for mom and pop size places to national chains, they are all undocumented.

you show me a white guy that is willing to work 8 hours over a hot ass cook line day in and day out and i will be impressed, then i will show you 1,000 latino people that will do it. just like any other hard job that has low wages.

just to clarify i am from the upper midwest and as white as can be, i am not racially motivated other then to show the realities of my industry.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
koods said:
Places with more immigrants (illegal and legal) have higher median incomes.


Correlation isn't causation, there's many other factors at play here, I assuming you already know that fact.


You said immigrants are cheap labor and bring down wages. But that isn’t borne out in the data.


Again, immigration depresses wage growth. If wages rise slightly in that environment, it doesn't mean immigration doesn't depress wage growth.

If someone got a 2% growth in wages and could have received a 5% growth in wages without the immigrants, they're experiencing a depression of wage growth.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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koods said:
qman said:
krypto2000 said:
Anxhor babies are not illegal, how hard is that to grasp? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal. Do you guys care to debate the topic here thst you brought up or are you going to keep errecting new goal posts and hope we don't notice?


Where do anchor babies come from in the first place?  Yes, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, stop playing dumb on the subject matter.


They’re American just like you


Yeah, the US is the only developed nation stupid enough to get scammed by that technicality.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
koods said:
I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


in my 12 years in California i can think of maybe 5 guys that worked in the kitchens that were not latino and they were die hard work ethic type guys that would do pretty much anything to defend their pride in work, you just don't find people from the united states that have that work ethic for the pay. you get rid of illegals then most restaurants are going to close or significantly raise prices to the point that they will fail anyways. 

this goes for mom and pop size places to national chains, they are all undocumented.

you show me a white guy that is willing to work 8 hours over a hot ass cook line day in and day out and i will be impressed, then i will show you 1,000 latino people that will do it. just like any other hard job that has low wages.

just to clarify i am from the upper midwest and as white as can be, i am not racially motivated other then to show the realities of my industry.


So your main interests remain with the business owners instead of the US working class. Any rationalization to support illegal immigration, right?

How in the world did the US function in the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's without the illegals?  Oh that's right, the greatest economic period for the US working class.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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At least for agriculture, illegals have made up a large part of the the workforce for the past 80 years of more.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman]
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Brian Jones said:
XUL said:
You never disproved that study.


The source is a right wing rag. Of course you can find support for your position, but it's not reputable.


As far as I can tell the source presents factual information, it just does so in a highly misleading way. It compares relative percentages and it leads the reader to believe that some or all of that includes illegsls when in actuality it does not.

qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
koods said:
I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


in my 12 years in California i can think of maybe 5 guys that worked in the kitchens that were not latino and they were die hard work ethic type guys that would do pretty much anything to defend their pride in work, you just don't find people from the united states that have that work ethic for the pay. you get rid of illegals then most restaurants are going to close or significantly raise prices to the point that they will fail anyways. 

this goes for mom and pop size places to national chains, they are all undocumented.

you show me a white guy that is willing to work 8 hours over a hot ass cook line day in and day out and i will be impressed, then i will show you 1,000 latino people that will do it. just like any other hard job that has low wages.

just to clarify i am from the upper midwest and as white as can be, i am not racially motivated other then to show the realities of my industry.


So your main interests remain with the business owners instead of the US working class. Any rationalization to support illegal immigration, right?

How in the world did the US function in the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's without the illegals?  Oh that's right, the greatest economic period for the US working class.


It functioned by granting them citizenship. Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border. Immigration was not even a public issue until 2001 as a response to the war on terror.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
koods said:
qman said:
koods said:
Places with more immigrants (illegal and legal) have higher median incomes.


Correlation isn't causation, there's many other factors at play here, I assuming you already know that fact.


You said immigrants are cheap labor and bring down wages. But that isn’t borne out in the data.


Again, immigration depresses wage growth. If wages rise slightly in that environment, it doesn't mean immigration doesn't depress wage growth.

If someone got a 2% growth in wages and could have received a 5% growth in wages without the immigrants, they're experiencing a depression of wage growth.


I don’t believe it. Source?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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Quote:
functioned by granting them citizenship. Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border. Immigration was not even a public issue until 2001 as a response to the war on terror.


Those folks that came to America by the boatload in the 1800s and 1900s didn’t have visas. They just came and were let in and conservatives love to romanticize those immigrants.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
koods said:
I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


in my 12 years in California i can think of maybe 5 guys that worked in the kitchens that were not latino and they were die hard work ethic type guys that would do pretty much anything to defend their pride in work, you just don't find people from the united states that have that work ethic for the pay. you get rid of illegals then most restaurants are going to close or significantly raise prices to the point that they will fail anyways. 

this goes for mom and pop size places to national chains, they are all undocumented.

you show me a white guy that is willing to work 8 hours over a hot ass cook line day in and day out and i will be impressed, then i will show you 1,000 latino people that will do it. just like any other hard job that has low wages.

just to clarify i am from the upper midwest and as white as can be, i am not racially motivated other then to show the realities of my industry.


So your main interests remain with the business owners instead of the US working class. Any rationalization to support illegal immigration, right?

How in the world did the US function in the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's without the illegals?  Oh that's right, the greatest economic period for the US working class.


i actually think the entire food industry is completely unsustainable and a farce when it comes to both the owners and the workers. it is a concept of the wealthy sold to the poor to eat a bunch of unhealthy shit and be served. it is extremely wasteful while trying to fulfill a niche market that is overtly ignorant of the products.

i would much prefer higher wages but that would have to go through the entire related industries, from the production of food, distribution, and preparation/service of cuisine. as it is profit margins are tiny in food and beverage and unless you have very deep pockets to support it you will probably fail.

our entire concept of food and consumption has been perverted through sales and profit. it's just another facet of our culture that is obsolete and was never meant to be translated to the masses, only for the entitled.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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Right, until the late 1800's or early 1900's there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant. The current "illegsl immigrant" problem is just playing on peoples fear, hatred, and ignorance of "others." Some people are too stupid to see that.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 2
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qman said:
krypto2000 said:
Anxhor babies are not illegal, how hard is that to grasp? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it illegal. Do you guys care to debate the topic here thst you brought up or are you going to keep errecting new goal posts and hope we don't notice?


Where do anchor babies come from in the first place?



America. You can play semantics but if they are born in USA...they are from America in the first place.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Brian Jones said:
XUL said:
You never disproved that study.


The source is a right wing rag. Of course you can find support for your position, but it's not reputable.


As far as I can tell the source presents factual information, it just does so in a highly misleading way. It compares relative percentages and it leads the reader to believe that some or all of that includes illegsls when in actuality it does not.

qman said:
ReposadoXochipilli said:
koods said:
I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


in my 12 years in California i can think of maybe 5 guys that worked in the kitchens that were not latino and they were die hard work ethic type guys that would do pretty much anything to defend their pride in work, you just don't find people from the united states that have that work ethic for the pay. you get rid of illegals then most restaurants are going to close or significantly raise prices to the point that they will fail anyways. 

this goes for mom and pop size places to national chains, they are all undocumented.

you show me a white guy that is willing to work 8 hours over a hot ass cook line day in and day out and i will be impressed, then i will show you 1,000 latino people that will do it. just like any other hard job that has low wages.

just to clarify i am from the upper midwest and as white as can be, i am not racially motivated other then to show the realities of my industry.


So your main interests remain with the business owners instead of the US working class. Any rationalization to support illegal immigration, right?

How in the world did the US function in the 1940's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's without the illegals?  Oh that's right, the greatest economic period for the US working class.


It functioned by granting them citizenship. Prior to 1965 there wasn't even a quota on immigrants entering from south of the border. Immigration was not even a public issue until 2001 as a response to the war on terror.


"Immigration was not even a public issue until 2001"

Yeah right!!!  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

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