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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Konyap]
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I think it’s the problem of anyone who likes to eat food. 60% of agriculture labor is provided by undocumented aliens. Do you think a million+ Americans are down to be migrant workers, moving from town to town picking crops across the country? YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

How would you propose we replace that labor? Remember our food supply depends on it.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/26/18 07:06 AM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
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picking food has nothing to do with ones own place of legal residence
wtf dude
grasping at straws like usual

Edited by Konyap (12/26/18 07:55 AM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Konyap] * 1
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Answer the question. How do you propose we replace the labor provided by undocumented immigrants in the agriculture sector. It’s a serious issue and nobody on your side ever wants to talk about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/illegal-immigrants-us-economy-farm-workers-taxes/

Remember what happened in Alabama when they cracked down on illegals in 2011? Most of the illegals left the state and there was $11 billion hit to the farming industry in the state. The Alabama governor had to call an emergency session of the legislature to repeal the crackdown.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.mic.com/articles/amp/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business
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On Sunday, the Associated Press reported worker shortages have prompted some Alabama farmers who grow labor-intensive produce to plant less, rather than have crops rot in the fields again this year. Last fall Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley signed a tough law combating illegal immigration, which prompted undocumented workers to flee the state. Few locals will perform the grueling work of picking crops, and farmers stuck in a agricultural system built on illegal labor are struggling to find replacements before their produce rots.

Alabama’s situation is not unique. Georgia passed a similar immigration law in 2011. When undocumented workers fled, farmers lost around 40% of their workers and $140 million worth of blueberries, melons, onions, and other crops due to labor shortages. This year Georgia farmers again fear they will be short on workers to pick the crops, and many have scaled back production or stopped planting altogether.



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/26/18 08:13 AM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
Everyone is subject to luck. The part that isn’t luck is you. Not god. You are competent enough to not lose what you got through luck. :shrug:

I just get super irritated when people are so willing to credit god for their own or others’ accomplishments.

There was a plane crash in Toronto a few years ago. A French airliner over shot the run way, leaked fuel and caught on fire.



Nobody died. The headlines in papers everywhere said it was a miracle. Bullshit it wasn’t a miracle. It was the competence of the flight crew who, due to very stringent regulations that require a crew to be able to evacuate a plane in 90 seconds, got everyone out in 90 seconds - before the plane ignited. 



I agree about the plane thing..because think about all the people who did die in plane crashes..where was God then? Those must have been "anti-miracles" if it's a miracle that nobody died in another crash.

I just tend to think, on average, that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. Of course this isn't the case all the time. I can't help but wonder about the good ol jolly people who lived good lives who eventually got randomly raped and killed by a serial killer. Where was God then?

I see your point.

But let's not forget that nothing could be possible without opportunity, good or bad. And that's what I think God's only job is. Is to create opportunity.

And when I say God, you can substitute that for "the universe" "intelligent energy that permeates everything"..etc. I don't mean the religious God.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (12/26/18 10:45 AM)

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
stevo said:
I think the wall is a great idea to stop those pesky Mexicans from coming here illegally and getting healthcare and welfare.


Illegals aren't eligible for free healthcare or welfare.


I know, but all the imbeciles on this forum will never understand that. The other half of the equation is that they will never comprehend how much our economy is now dependent on undocumented/illegals. The Chicago suburbs have thousands of warehouses. Every other city with a good transportation hub is the same. The only company I'm aware of that isn't significantly staffed by Mexicans is Amazon, because they pay the people at the lowest levels $1 an hour more and require citizenship documents. If you got rid of illegals, these companies would be crippled, and these positions are still a cut above agriculture, landscaping, restaurants  and housecleaning job that people usually assume are where the Mexicans are working.

I am also in disbelief that there are people who actually believe that any amount of enforcement or half assed walls would put a major dent in immigration. They need to get a grip on reality. Our labor market has been increasingly Mexican since the 60's and 70's. Nothing the Republicans do can change this.


Who pays for their health care, education and criminal justice services?

Who pays for the children that are born here from illegals food, welfare, food stamps, public housing and health care?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
There is some bizarre assumption that illegals affect the economy differently than citizens. Productive people benefit the economy regardless of their citizenship and there is probably no more productive a demographic than people who come here specifically to work hard.


Yeah, cheap labor benefits the very rich at the expense of the working class. If you want to suggest that benefits GDP, you are correct, but does GDP correlate with any benefit to the bottom 80%?  NO.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: qman] * 1
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Places with more immigrants (illegal and legal) have higher median incomes.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 2
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Illegal immigrants are not eligible for food stamps, public housing, or whatever other delusional beliefs you hold. We've told you this before, why is it so hard to grasp? The only thing they are eligible for is emergency medical care and education. They also pay taxes.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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In comparison to the 63% of non-citizen households that used at least one welfare program, 35% of native-headed households accessed at least one welfare program. 45% of non-citizen households used food programs; 21% of native households used them. 50% of non-citizen households used Medicaid as opposed to 23% of native households.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailywire.com/news/38996/study-63-non-citizen-households-2014-used-welfare-hank-berrien%3famp


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TRUMP 2020

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL]
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Why are republicans so selfish?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods] * 1
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Legal citizens should use America's welfare all they want.

Illegal Mexican Nationals should not use America's welfare.


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TRUMP 2020

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL] * 1
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Undocumented immigrants don’t use welfare. They don’t have documents.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
In comparison to the 63% of non-citizen households that used at least one welfare program, 35% of native-headed households accessed at least one welfare program. 45% of non-citizen households used food programs; 21% of native households used them. 50% of non-citizen households used Medicaid as opposed to 23% of native households.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailywire.com/news/38996/study-63-non-citizen-households-2014-used-welfare-hank-berrien%3famp


And I will repeat it illegal immigrants are not eligible for those welfare programs. It even alludes to that in your own link. Non citizen does not mean illrgal immigrant. Per SNAPs website:

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A person must be a U.S. citizen or an eligible, lawfully-present non-citizen to qualify for SNAP benefits. Non-citizens who are eligible based on their immigration status must also satisfy other SNAP eligibility requirements such as income and resource limits to receive SNAP benefits.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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XUL and Qman, let me ask you. Why do you intentionally remain so completely ignorant on this topic? You've raised this fake issue before and we've informed you that you're wrong, we've told you the facts, and you wimper away quietly because you knoe you're wrong and have no ground to stand on besides ignorance, which you guys never seem to have the constitution to admit.

Yet somehoe you then raise the point again later as if things have changed. Are you doing this on purpose or do you have some kind of cognitive issue that makes you forget? Is it some kind of racist victem complex where you want illegsl immigrants to have done these things so that you can justify your hatred of them? I just can't wrap my rational mind around how someone can function like that.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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You never disproved that study.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL]
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The study doesn't say illegals get welfare and I just quoted the food stamps official website saying only lawful residents are eligible. By what bar are you asking me to disprove it.

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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So you do believe non-citizens collect more welfare and food stamps as compared to the native population?


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: XUL]
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No, you don't seem to understand statistics, it says 63% of non native households... Not 63% of welfare recipients. There are far more citizens than non native residents so far more citizens use welfare than non natives. Regardless that you're also wrong here what does this new goal post have to do woth the topic at hand?

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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: krypto2000]
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You mean by using proportions they are wrong?

I think it's very telling. And you are not disputing that thus far.


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Re: BUILD THE WALL [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Places with more immigrants (illegal and legal) have higher median incomes.


Correlation isn't causation, there's many other factors at play here, I assuming you already know that fact.

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