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is this all bad advice?
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http://www.mycomasters.com/
Im not intending on using the advice from this link.
BUT they make it seem as though you can just use h2o2 on EVERYTHING and never use a SAB or Flowhood..
so what i would like to know is whats the catch?
do you get less crop, is it just lazy, do things take longer, is it all a BS?
I know it works well for cobweb without "harming" the mycelium and thats really all its recommended for by users here i think. but why?


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron] * 1
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I think that method is for wood pellet substrate.  Not applicable to cubes, but, there are wood loving psilocybin mushrooms...


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
I think that method is for wood pellet substrate.  Not applicable to cubes, but, there are wood loving psilocybin mushrooms...


I must admit i did not read enough to realise it was only wood and sawdust they were talking about.
I would really like an outdoor Psilocybe cyanescens patch next year..
So h202 is more applicable to wood variety of mushroom. for what reason?
Is it something to do with the wood protecting the mycelium more than other substrates?


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: 36fuckin5]
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36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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So h202 is more applicable to wood variety of mushroom. for what reason?
Is it something to do with the wood protecting the mycelium more than other substrates?


Don't really know.  Id guess it has something to do with peroxide being more appropriate for wood than, say, grain.  Grain would just turn to goo wouldn't it?  Also, maybe whatever mushrooms he grows with this are more suited to it...


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


You're looking for the links in the thread so you can learn to do things right. All of them.

H2O2 has no place in mycology. Wood or not. No place. At all. Ever. None.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: 36fuckin5]
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36fuckin5 said:
Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


You're looking for the links in the thread so you can learn to do things right. All of them.

H2O2 has no place in mycology. Wood or not. No place. At all. Ever. None.


So basically you are saying follow Teks and dont ask questions.
so unproductive...


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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:doublefacepalm:

The only thing hydrogen peroxide can do is help the process that has already been started in a preheated substrate.. and it doesn't even do that well at all, it really is nearly never is successful.
Hydrogen peroxide is good at neutralizing the spores of some contaminates, but it doesn't do anything to molds or competitive fungus in any stage past a spore.. this is because both molds and mycelium use peroxides themselves, so it does not harm them.
If you must play with it, use it on a previously heat treated substrate, I imagine right after it has been heat treated, dilute it from 3 percent to 0.3 percent and soak the substrate in a bath of it for 8 hours.
Basically what the fine fellow above is trying to convey to you.. is that when it comes to things like that sticking to heat treatment for substrates and whatever else for disinfecting is best as a newcomer.
Anyway, unless you are using straw none of the other methods would be of any use to you anyway.

If you are interested in disinfection with hydrogen peroxide look up Rush Wayne, read up on it yourself.
It is really not worth a hoot compared to the methods typically outlined here.. its just not as effective by far.
Additionally welcome to the Shroomery but try not to be such a dickus to people trying to offer you good advice, that guy is a good dude.


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Edited by gizmodo (10/26/18 05:50 PM)

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: gizmodo]
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gizmodo said:
:doublefacepalm:


why are you facepalming?
explain and maybe i will learn the humour in what i seem to be asking....


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: gizmodo]
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gizmodo said:
:doublefacepalm:

The only thing hydrogen peroxide can do is help the process that has already been started in a preheated substrate.. and it doesn't even do that well at all, it really is nearly never is successful.
Hydrogen peroxide is good at neutralizing the spores of some contaminates, but it doesn't do anything to molds or competitive fungus in any stage past a spore.. this is because both molds and mycelium use peroxides themselves, so it does not harm them.
If you must play with it, use it on a previously heat treated substrate, I imagine right after it has been heat treated, dilute it from 3 percent to 0.3 percent and soak the substrate in a bath of it for 8 hours.
Basically what the fine fellow above is trying to convey to you.. is that when it comes to things like that sticking to heat treatment for substrates and whatever else for disinfecting is best as a newcomer.
Anyway, unless you are using straw none of the other methods would be of any use to you anyway.

If you are interested in disinfection with hydrogen peroxide look up Rush Wayne, read up on it yourself.
It is really not worth a hoot compared to the methods typically outlined here.. its just not as effective by far.
Additionally welcome to the Shroomery but try not to be such a dickus to people trying to offer you good advice, that guy is a good dude.


I have been nothing but polite have i not?
anyway thanks for editing your reply and going through some of that with me.
I had no intention of using it other than for cobweb. it was my understanding already that its best to go without i just wanted to know why.
If seen from both sides it could be said he was being a "dickus" by assuming my education level.(dont get offended seriously)
Lets not be like that lets all be friends!

Edited by Sazatron (10/26/18 06:00 PM)

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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:saulgoodman:


Don't treat mold just throw it away.


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Edited by gizmodo (10/26/18 06:00 PM)

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


You're looking for the links in the thread so you can learn to do things right. All of them.

H2O2 has no place in mycology. Wood or not. No place. At all. Ever. None.


So basically you are saying follow Teks and dont ask questions.
so unproductive...


I'm saying to learn the basics first because it's easy to look them up. The links in my signature all show you exactly what it takes without any extra bullshit. Questions are fine but I can almost guarantee you we've answered any question you can ask 1,000 times unless you at least get the basics.


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Pat The Bunny said:
A punk rock song won't ever change the world, but I can tell you about a couple that changed me.

bodhisatta said:
i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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Even very minor amounts of peroxide being residual in petris seems to have stalled mycs, complete deadzone.

I think peroxide can be used in the ways he probably says I didn't read too much into it at all, if one were to spend enough time forming methods.


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[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: merch137]
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Use peroxide when u cut yoursrlf doing agar work shitfaced


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: cronicr]
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:lol:


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


You're looking for the links in the thread so you can learn to do things right. All of them.

H2O2 has no place in mycology. Wood or not. No place. At all. Ever. None.


So basically you are saying follow Teks and dont ask questions.
so unproductive...


The teks weren't made over night, ya know? They are the result of a whole mass of members doing a whole mass of experiments. If you think peroxide wasn't used in creating these teks, then think again. It would be huge if it killed all the bad shit but let myc grow just fine.. In fact, that would be fuckin killer, and we'd all be scoffing at people who don't use peroxide. Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that, and everyone worth their salt, who has tried peroxide during cultivation seems to agree that it isn't worth buying peroxide for anything myco related.


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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Use peroxide when u cut yoursrlf doing agar work shitfaced



Having mixed success with peroxide hard to say whats going on with the failed plates really a few variables to them.

Just tested some sporeplates on peroxide recycled plates that were then dipped in sterile water to rid of peroxide residue. This did increase contam rates a little due to the workplace the process is done in until i make the glovebox, should function like new plates.


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Those that know their mushrooms say...[...] Amanita.
[quote]sublimistri said:
id probably just trip it out then make them a friend and grow my own belladonna secretly to dose them on. [/quote]

[quote]sublimistri said:
this is the exact reason I wanna grow belladonna, because ima get that bitch back. [/quote]

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
Use peroxide when u cut yoursrlf doing agar work shitfaced


:goodnews:

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Re: is this all bad advice? [Re: Sazatron]
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Actually peroxide slows healing and harms healthy tissue on humans so they don't recommend using it in most cases it's just detrimental to use.

Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
Sazatron said:
36fuckin5 said:
H2O2 has no purpose in mushroom cultivation. Follow the link in my sig.


i followed the link but without reading all the sub links im unsure what exactly i was to look for.


You're looking for the links in the thread so you can learn to do things right. All of them.

H2O2 has no place in mycology. Wood or not. No place. At all. Ever. None.


So basically you are saying follow Teks and dont ask questions.
so unproductive...


You could look up why peroxide sucks...

Sazatron said:
VroomerMcZoomers said:
I think that method is for wood pellet substrate.  Not applicable to cubes, but, there are wood loving psilocybin mushrooms...


I must admit i did not read enough to realise it was only wood and sawdust they were talking about.
I would really like an outdoor Psilocybe cyanescens patch next year..
So h202 is more applicable to wood variety of mushroom. for what reason?
Is it something to do with the wood protecting the mycelium more than other substrates?


You can get away with doing stupid and harmful things. Your yields will suck but people have such egos they think that the little things they did explain their success. So peroxide gets touted by noobs who post places that are not critical of their work.


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