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Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me?
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    I've thought about this for a while now. Is my anxiety disorder inherently the real me? Now by stating that question I feel I need to define that my anxiety issues seem to be blatantly out of control a lot of the time compared to the average person. There doesn't really have to be a trigger for me to be on the edge of a panic attack. It deeply affects my quality of life from my perspective and outside perspectives.
    Now with that being said I've wondered exactly how deeply rooted I should consider that anxiety is a necessary function of the human body for situational decision making (which I understand that it is to an extent) and at what point is the issue so bad in an individual that it inhibits the logical decision making into making bad decisions to escape the torment of the confusion and suffering, making it a stress onto who you really are inside and how you would normally act or think in a stable state of mind?
    The experience that has initiated me into this thought is when I take a Benzodiazapine It cleanses the unnecessary chaos that I feel turns me into what it feels to be a 3rd person view of the way I am being during what I call anxiety-panic mode. Under the influence though it doesn't completely take away anxiety entirely but levels in back to a realistic and necessary intrinsic character. When I am in a stable state of mind I can logistically act on the ideas influenced by a normal essential amount of anxiety that actually helps my decision making ability to create the reality of who I feel inside to really be, unlike in anxiety-panic mode I feel my actions and thoughts are necessarily exaggerated in a way that affects the way I would actually be in the stable state of mind negatively. I should say as well that I have a stable mind without chemicals here and there which are those clear minded associations I make that I conclude to being the way I really truly am and try to be inside.
    But then in a way the anxiety disorder is neurologically who I am, Influencing me the natural way I was propagated thus evolving me into who I actually am as a person today with its integration intact fully in my personality and decision making affecting me even during those stable states of mind due to me living with the quality for the duration on my life.
    We should also look at the anxiety disorders origins in the individual as requirements for medial bases to define if it may be an inherent quality or a destructive issue to the persona and being of a person possibly implemented into someone through a non harmonic way causing an alteration of who they really are. Origins such as, was it accumulated through birth by dna, through an issue in the womb, through drug use, through PTSD, through a psychological manifestation accumulated through lifes stress or turmoils, or another means of factor whether it was a natural or damaging to the body.
    I feel it should be taken in account that there is another argument here that is based on the conclusion that a damaging means is also a natural culprit. But my point being is that who we really are? Depending on if this quality is a byproduct of a detrimental catalyst or culmination of a variety of factors throughout our life since birth that create our personality. Those means being in question of the validity themselves of their intrinsic value depending on circumstance and different points of view on subject matter. To which variation and level of these values defines the acceptable medians of the mentioned factors in which the anxiety-panic mode interferes with the quality of being of who the person really is or not and is actually part of that persons inherent being of formed quality regardless of the longing to uncover the stable state of mind quality that the individual seeks from the glimpses he retains through their life to think and act on being who they are in those such stable states? Also noting that those qualities vary on a natural or detrimental means both viably a quality in the way those people are but to a means of what extent does it become that personalities excessively off balanced or prospectively balanced traits, either of which may be argued to be inherently the embedded reality essential to the natural function or a disorderly altered persons mind being not the true essence.

    This is just a brief essay of some thoughts I've had that I would like to observe you guys converse about. I realize the depth it can go but this should plant the seed. I feel myself as there is no definitive answers I would just like to see what most of the group may say about the ideas proposed.

Edited by Dr. Siekadellyk (11/03/18 01:48 PM)

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
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I think "care-free" is affiliated with "Happy" and therefor in my estimation you are "Unhappy".

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 1
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what if the real you were the same as the real me?
then you might cling to idiosyncratic obsessions and trivialities in order to tell the difference, as if that were of critical importance.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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Once I started understanding that my anxiety disorders and PTSD are separate from me, I was better able to deal with them.

I can actually ignore anxiety like a bug circling my head.  It's weird and new.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
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"We have people become anxiety free in a day, we have had some take weeks, but most feel so much better almost immediately that their anxiety then goes without them even noticing."

The Linden Method

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Buster_Brown] * 1
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I think the most dangerous thing you can do is accepting that this is just a part of you.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Lootje]
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Lootje said:
I think the most dangerous thing you can do is accepting that this is just a part of you.



Why?

Rain is of the earth.  It is not the earth.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
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You might never be able to change yourself. What you can do, is be aware of what you are, and make adjustments.

For example, many people make math or spelling mistakes. If you pay attention, you'll see you often make the exact same mistakes over and over again. You can't just tell yourself to stop doing it, it doesn't work like that. What you can do is be aware of the problems you have, be aware of times when you are running into words you frequently misspell or math problems you frequently miscalculate, then take your time and double check, being sure that you are doing them right. If you do that long enough, you might eventually, gradually, improve in those areas.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: xFrockx]
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The movie "A Beautiful Mind", is about the famous mathematician John Forbes Nash, Jr., who became schizophrenic. It tells the story both of his becoming mentally ill and of how he cured himself with reality testing.

It has worked for many, with a variety of issues, in various different contexts.

reality testing explained in more detail:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=reality+testing&t=h_&ia=about

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: laughingdog]
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the philosophical issue of wether you are your anxiety,
could be a distraction from dealing with the problem.

I would say one is not one's feelings, thoughts, or perceptions.

But obviously in the case of addiction, philosophy won't take the place of going thru detox. I would think most mental / feeling issues have a compulsive aspect, and so, simply recognizing that one is not ones perceptions, should not be expected to instantly solve the problem in question. It would seem that usually there will be some continuing effort required to reduce the problem to a tolerable level.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: laughingdog]
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I've had PTSD/anxiety from since I can remember. It defined me. It was exhausting and unproductive. I've learned how to better keep from over steering my thoughts and finally found some inner peace through awareness by meditating. It's not me anymore.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 1
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I have studied anxiety from Kierkegaard to Thomas C. Oden through three academic degree programs and even decades after I completed a PhD. Anxiety seems to be my own particular existential malaise (not guilt, shame, regret, boredom, or some other existential problem). I have a Meso-Ectomorphic body type according to W.H. Sheldon's Constitutional Psychology and a mostly Cerebrotonic temperament that corresponds to the Ectomorphic component. My mother was fairly histrionic and anxious. Yet, after maybe a decade between 15 and 25, I pretty much stopped using hashish which was plentiful in the 1970s (even if my money to purchase it wasn't), and have gone for many years without any cannabis at all. I never took to drink or pills, but worked through my own tendency toward anxiety and its concomitant pessimism on my own. I routinely include 100 mg of L-Theanine in my daily supplements. If I'm having a particularly bad day (rare), I'll add 500 mg of L-Taurine.

I have treated anxiety as a board certified clinical hypnotherapist for years, decades actually, and aside from a constitutional tendency as mentioned above, it is my contention that we are not completely determined by such psychophysical contours. Anxiety is probably the most common complaint from prospective clients and in my experience it results from unresolved traumas dating back a few months to a few decades. Once the trauma is resolved using Age Regression and some reliable techniques, the anxiety, a major symptom, vanishes. That does not mean that new anxiety provoking situations will not result in feelings of anxiety, but the chronic and sometimes disabling anxiety that is tied to the unresolved trauma and running like computer malware in the background will disappear. Anxiety is a form of suffering and suffering is an obstacle to normal healthy functioning. It is never a characteristic of who or what one intrinsically is. Buddhist Abhidharma psychology would back me up in this assertion.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk] * 1
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I don't believe in anxiety/depression as mental illnesses or dysfunctions. Those are both pieces of every human and they are as important as any other emotions.

We are who we choose to be. If you like yourself best subdued with benzos then that's that. Just be sure it's a conscious decision.

The cool thing about drugs is we can choose the person we make ourselves into simply by adjusting the dose, specific chemical, and outlook on treatment.


Good luck man struggling to identify one's true self is like trying to comprehend decades of gopro footage that turns on only when anything exciting or titillating happens.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Duncan Rowhl] * 1
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Duncan Rowhl said:
Lootje said:
I think the most dangerous thing you can do is accepting that this is just a part of you.



Why?

Rain is of the earth.  It is not the earth.



Because you get into a mindset where you just silently let it control your actions. Like: ''It's just who I am, can't do anything about it...'' Social anxiety isn't a good thing to have and certainly not for the rest of your life. I think OP will do much better if he tries to handle it instead of just accepting and moving on.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
I have studied anxiety from Kierkegaard to Thomas C. Oden through three academic degree programs and even decades after I completed a PhD. Anxiety seems to be my own particular existential malaise (not guilt, shame, regret, boredom, or some other existential problem). I have a Meso-Ectomorphic body type according to W.H. Sheldon's Constitutional Psychology and a mostly Cerebrotonic temperament that corresponds to the Ectomorphic component. My mother was fairly histrionic and anxious. Yet, after maybe a decade between 15 and 25, I pretty much stopped using hashish which was plentiful in the 1970s (even if my money to purchase it wasn't), and have gone for many years without any cannabis at all. I never took to drink or pills, but worked through my own tendency toward anxiety and its concomitant pessimism on my own. I routinely include 100 mg of L-Theanine in my daily supplements. If I'm having a particularly bad day (rare), I'll add 500 mg of L-Taurine.

I have treated anxiety as a board certified clinical hypnotherapist for years, decades actually, and aside from a constitutional tendency as mentioned above, it is my contention that we are not completely determined by such psychophysical contours. Anxiety is probably the most common complaint from prospective clients and in my experience it results from unresolved traumas dating back a few months to a few decades. Once the trauma is resolved using Age Regression and some reliable techniques, the anxiety, a major symptom, vanishes. That does not mean that new anxiety provoking situations will not result in feelings of anxiety, but the chronic and sometimes disabling anxiety that is tied to the unresolved trauma and running like computer malware in the background will disappear. Anxiety is a form of suffering and suffering is an obstacle to normal healthy functioning. It is never a characteristic of who or what one intrinsically is. Buddhist Abhidharma psychology would back me up in this assertion.



I'm pretty confident my anxiety was a result of childhood trauma. A physically abuse father at a very young age damaged my sense of any security and I've been living in constant flight or flight mode most of my life.
Hypnotherapy sounds interesting. Letting your guard down to address those old pathways is very difficult. Do you have any recommendations on how to learn this or how to get started?
I haven't had luck with therapy. The only thing that helped me was learning to relax my nervous system through much practice.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Cjmckay]
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That's it
practice relaxing.
first lying down,
then sitting,
then walking,
learn to restart the relaxing process after distraction.


eventually relax in the face of what you like
then relax in the face of what you feel neutral about,
then begin practicing relaxing while thinking about something that you do not like.
keep the relaxation going until you can thing of everything and still be relaxed.


At some point in the future you may naturally think of traumas while relaxing or you can regain your relaxation when you notice you are addressing the most difficult things.

At that point your mind will be more healthy than most.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: redgreenvines]
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some random thoughts

psychologically the reason heroine is addictive,
is because we all have unconscious stress, pain, insecurity, and anxiety
and in one moment
of shooting up all of these are relieved

Before shooting up a person (usually) has no idea they are carrying all this garbage.
(And they may have no idea afterwards either if they are not introspective.)

So anxiety occurs on spectrum, its not an all or nothing deal.

There are many ways to begin to reduce it. Relaxation as RGV says, or hypnosis as Mark speaks of, or biofeedback, or meditation.

More recently Wim Hof's breathing method has become very popular, and there are numerous videos on youtube explaining it. There are probably 1000s of folks doing it worldwide, seeking a higher level of functioning and they work directly with fear in connection with one of their practices which the videos show.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I tried that Wim Hof tek but coldn't even take a moderately cold shower. I may need more practice.
Funny you should mention H. I tried that for 15 years along with other drugs. The only thing it did was give me some motivation. Usually to get more. I was desperate to slow down my whirlwind of a mind.
redgreenvines said:
That's it
practice relaxing.
first lying down,
then sitting,
then walking,
learn to restart the relaxing process after distraction.


eventually relax in the face of what you like
then relax in the face of what you feel neutral about,
then begin practicing relaxing while thinking about something that you do not like.
keep the relaxation going until you can thing of everything and still be relaxed.


At some point in the future you may naturally think of traumas while relaxing or you can regain your relaxation when you notice you are addressing the most difficult things.

At that point your mind will be more healthy than most.



I'm gonna print that and post it up. It's incredible how simple that is yet have such an impact. I sometimes wish I would have learned that when I was young. What a difference my life would have been. But at 45 I'm just grateful to have found some inner peace and ruminating was one of my big issues. I still get jolts of regret that come out of nowhere, but they seem to be lessening.


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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: Cjmckay] * 1
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I wasn't recommending H. I used the H experience as evidence that we all have anxiety at some level. That it is not an all or nothing problem, but exists at many levels and in many forms, which must be the case as the relief H provides occurs without exception. Something similar occurs with cocaine and alcohol, which we see when introverts who have problems with self esteem, experience the problem temporarily disappear, and they become talkative and outgoing.
In the case of artists and authors, many have been known to abuse alcohol. This is partly because, it gets them past the 'inner critic' which seems similar to the over active mind you refer to.

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Re: Is an anxiety disorder inherently the real me? [Re: laughingdog]
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I know you weren't. It was just the route I took for the reason you gave. And alcohol. Not the being drunk part but the after effects. That hangover actually numbs the over alertness.
Cocaine, no bueno. I get the sensation of a SWAT team at my door. Then miserable depression. Then repeat.


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