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 Right on the head!  [Re: tipz]
#1052793 - 11/14/02 02:40 PM (21 years, 24 days ago) |
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Depression comes with intelligence.. it's a curse.
Damn straight mate! 
seriouslly, every time i get depressed, it's because i start thinking....and then start assuming the worst and over analyzing everything.
i have trained myself at those times to say, "don't think!" and i just shut off my upper brain kinda, leaving just the basic cognitive functions i need to survive. then i just amble around until i feel better. to me, that's a hell of a lot better than feeling bad AND having the damn loop/cycle thinking about how horrible and pointless you and everything is.
it was hard to train myself not the think though....and to think some people don't even have to TRY not to think. 
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1054879 - 11/15/02 04:50 AM (21 years, 24 days ago) |
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i don't think it's genes man.
how did you "accidentally" take 50 again?
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1054890 - 11/15/02 05:03 AM (21 years, 24 days ago) |
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I know how you feel dude..
Try paxil or somethin..
Try not to fight the anxiety. Tell yourself, Shit! im fuckin freakin out!
From my experience anxiety comes from an overwhelming feeling that your different from everyone and they're all subliminally accusing you for it... or somethin like that. And your tryin to convince yourself that's not the case when your alone, and then when you go in public it's like a horrible paradigm shift... I think that constant change fucks with you...
Work on it, dude, give it time. You will overcome it.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1055133 - 11/15/02 08:47 AM (21 years, 23 days ago) |
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Social anxiety sucks, I just recently aquired it, I used to be very open and carefare in social situations. But as I got older, I became more introverted and realized I don't have much in common with people. Try this, it helps me. When you are in a social situation don't lament on what people are thinking about you, because, do you think about other people in the same judging way? Probably not, also, conforming in a social situation makes you want to leave and be yourself again. DON'T conform. Say whatever is on your mind, no matter how crazy or weird it is. I do it all the time, and people just think i'm a weird/crazy person. Which is cool with me, because i am, and it makes it easy to relax socially.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1055823 - 11/15/02 01:12 PM (21 years, 23 days ago) |
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True dat. 
Sounds like I am alot like alot of you people. I used to be very social.. but I'm on a 4 year long run of being anti social. My anxiety is getting horrible and I have a hard time being around people. I always act awkward and fuck shit up when I feel people are watching me.. which is most of the time. Maybe I can get some paxil or something.. although my parents have a hard time believing that there son needs medication.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1057777 - 11/16/02 07:48 AM (21 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm sorry to hear about your family's predicament. Anxiety is one of those 'existential malaises,' or in layman's terms, one type of response to just being-in-life. Other existential malaises include boredom, guilt, and shame. I happen to experience anxiety more than any of these or other dificulties, but it is not a genetic problem. If anything, it is a 'constitutional' problem. Certain kinds of body-types are more prone to anxiety than others. Usually it is the thin or lanky 'ectomorphic' type that suffers this the most, when the cause is contitutional. There are, of course, other causes.
I am a psychotherapist and a Diplomate in Clinical Hypnotherapy. I would use hypnotherapy to treat a person with a dysfunctional degree of social phobia, if that is what is going on. I recommend looking for a clinical hypnotherapist who does this kind of work, and I wonder why your physician didn't recommend it! Check out www.natboard.com to locate a hypnotherapist in your area. Phone and ask questions and about fees.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1058071 - 11/16/02 12:28 PM (21 years, 22 days ago) |
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valium & many of the other "benzos" are not just muscle relaxants...
the PDR generally classifies them as "anxiolytics" (= dissolvers of anxiety) or "minor tranquilizers"
and almost anything that "takes the edge off" (or is even percieved as doing so) can allow one to cope with the stresses of social situations...
the problem with many of those type drugs (most of them so-called "downers" of one sort or another is that they tend to be addictive, and cause long-lasting changes in brain chemistry, and often tend to slow down mental functions, mess with your memory & personality, among other things... probably OK for short term or occasional use, but as a long term solution, they tend to leave something to be desired...
well, maybe more later, i dunno...
be well...
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you know, i have no problem with anxiety at all. i used to, but i got sick of it, and just stopped careing, what happens happens, i figure.
but i do have a major problem with boredom, and guilt. i get bored easily, so i figure i'll go do something good with my time...but then i look at the task i choose and think, "i might fail...i fact, i probably will, why try?" so i never get anything done....then i feel extremely guilty to the point of depression. would you use hypnotherapy for this too?
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I would use hypnotherapy because these concerns boil down to what used to be called 'neuroses.' It is healthy to feel guilt if one has done something that one knows is wrong. If one feels a general, free-floating or global sense of guilt, then it's neurotic guilt - most humorously illustrated by Woody Allen in much of his work. Feeling like a total 'sinner,' is one type of guilt trip to go on. Been there [during seminary] done that. "Go, and sin no more," said Jesus. OK. Simple solution. Doesn't require constant agonizing about one's human imperfections, which is neurotic guilt, not real guilt, a mental problem, not a moral problem.
Boredom is an emotional state that results when one refuses to pay attention to, or allow oneself to be stimulated by, a given situation. I do not experience boredom. When there is seemingly nothing, people may sleep to tune out. Lots of adolescent drug abuse comes from boredom. If there is really nothing, 'cause you're in solitary confinement, for example, meditate. That's the given - use it. Meditation is boring, so use boredom as 'a springboard to Eternity,' which is always right Here and Now. I explain boredom to 6th graders, so any adult should get it. It's a form of rebelliousness to the immediacy of existence - the 'thrownness,' the hand one is dealt.
The problem with Existential thought is that Death always looms in the background serving to remind us of the temporal limit of our existence. So this underlies anxiety, and our guilt for not doing what we believe we ought to in the time allotted us. There is the distinct absence of Ontological or Essential thought. Without the possibility of transcendence, of the Transcendental, another existential malaise appears - despair - "the sickness unto death." Religion, while much maligned at this forum, shows several ways to get out of the quagmire of existence by serving others (karma yoga), or by devotion to God (bhakti yoga) or by a lifestyle of quiet contemplation (jnana yoga), or a combination thereof. The Inner [Essential] Man must triumph over the outer [existential] man, which always flounders and drowns in the 'ocean of existence.'
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Really surprising how well your last post addressed what I've spent hours conversing about with friends lately. I look forward to showing them - thank you! Blessings, CJ
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Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good.
If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1058449 - 11/16/02 04:08 PM (21 years, 22 days ago) |
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A) You're not your friend.
B) You're not capable of determining just how suicidal your friend is.
C) The psychologist had an ethical 'duty to warn' your friend's parents, even if he
was 18, since he was living in his parent's house.
D) You're not experiencing clinical depression if you think you like it.
E) Most people, including myself, benefit from mental health counseling. If you
can't make eye contact with a helping professional, and be truthful - that's
a problem you need to work on.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: CosmicJoke]
#1058552 - 11/16/02 05:05 PM (21 years, 22 days ago) |
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Once Upon a Time, Crosby, Stills and Nash sang, "...to sing the blues, you've got to refuse to...carr-r-r-r-y on-n-n..." And, to "carry on" means, among other possibilities, to pick yourself up, stop wallowing in self-pity, and do what you're supposed to do. If one doesn't know what that is, then ask the appropriate people for assistance. Sheesh!
I've seen that bumper sticker that reads something like, 'God lets those who complain the most, live the longest,' but what's the point of living a long, fear-filled miserable life? It just delays the inevitable. Another neurotic tendency is to create constant petty miseries for oneself in the [unconscious] belief that those minor miseries will prevent something Really bad from happening. This is a vestige of 'magical thinking' from childhood. It is the opposite to that common American childhood experience of the whining child who is told by his father "stop that whining or I'll give you something to really cry about!" 'I'll whine all the time, and God will take pity on me and not give me cancer/TB/emphysema/Lou Gehrig's disease/ etc., etc.'
I worked as an addictions counselor with all kinds of addicts. Some of these [usually] adolescent whiners were, like, "Shit! I broke a shoelace! I can't take this shit - I'm gonna go shoot some dope!" This was our stereotypical joke about junkies and their completely infantile lack of ego-resilience and need for immediate gratification ('I want what I want when I want it').
There is a middle school kid where I work, who comes to school every day and has tried out for the basketball team, even though he gets winded easily. His body is more than 50% run through with cancer; he takes chemotherapy every day; and he knows he's terminally ill. He has a wish from the 'Make a Wish Foundation' coming up - sitting on the bench with Iverson. He doesn't want anyone to know his condition, and he doesn't want any pity. He doesn't need to be neurotic because he has Real suffering going on. He's a mensch and a teacher for me when I bitch and moan about back pains and other kinds of benign bullshit. His presence alone makes me grow up, and shut up, and feel ashamed of my own whining and bellyaching. [And this post was not directed at you personally CJ].
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Just pick up and go! Everything will be alright, how dare you feel bad for yourself; look that boy has cancer! Now don't you feel stupid! HUH!? Yea, stupid, you sit crying over your pain while that poor pitiful soul is dealing with cancer... You should be ashamed of yourself, what right do you have to feel bad? NO one should feel bad, if you do you should fix it now, you lazy bastard.
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Re: anxiety causes depression too [Re: st0ney]
#1060914 - 11/17/02 08:52 PM (21 years, 21 days ago) |
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Do you want us to feel sorry for you?
No, seriously. What does talking about your depression do? Does it make you feel better posting how bad you feel? I'm not really trying to sound like an ass, I would like a real answer to theze questions.
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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