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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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I'm not holier than thou. I'm an idiot too.  Take everything I say with a bucketful of salt, as it should be.

However I will not sit idly by and watch people in the community spew bullshit with impunity.


This is what I'm reading (just so you're aware):

"I'm not holier-than-thou."
"This person needs to be punished for spewing what, in my opinion, is bullshit."

:puddingpop:


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For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
"This person needs to be punished for spewing what, in my opinion, is bullshit"


How am I punishing you? Does having a different opinion, and challenging you, count as punishment in your eyes?


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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How am I punishing you? Does having a different opinion, and challenging you, count as punishment in your eyes?


No but you were flaming unprovoked. So clearly you thought an attack on my character is acceptable which can be seen as an attempt at a social punishment. Not saying you've busted out the ban hammer, but you're trying to assert something here.

Edit: Also flaming is very different from "challenging someone" intellectually. I responded to every point you made that was legitimate and ignored the ones that came out of your feelings.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/09/18 03:48 AM)

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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If you can't handle having your opinions challenged, maybe you shouldn't post.

I defy you to show me where I was 'flaming' you.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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If you can't handle having your opinions challenged, maybe you shouldn't post.


Are you lucid? I've been responding the whole time.

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I defy you to show me where I was 'flaming' you.


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You would really do well to take this quote to heart, cause you sound like a broken and dysfunctional record from the way you post.


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You seem a poor excuse for a man to me, and many others it seems.

I wonder why.


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Or are you just displacing your inner feelings of inadequacy?


Someone else even felt the need to chime in about it. :shrug: These aren't points, they're just attempts at insults.

Edited by Zaid (10/09/18 03:56 AM)

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid you do have pretty hardcore zazz with the way you are on here, but it does come across as hollow when the opinion/content ratio is off.

That said when I'm off this latest straight kick I wanna bang you.


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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I can make this happen, but hes not cheap. There will be a safe word set in place as well. If my guy outside the door hears the safe word and you do not stop, he will stop you.

Now, the safe word.

Let's use... not responding has a thick and hearty penis.


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Dear Kratom,

I've been numb for so long that I forgot how to feel
So I don't care if it will break my heart,
Just fuck me till I disappear




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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Not Responding]
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Not Responding said:
I can make this happen, but hes not cheap. There will be a safe word set in place as well. If my guy outside the door hears the safe word and you do not stop, he will stop you.

Now, the safe word.

Let's use... not responding has a thick and hearty penis.


Is the safe word for me or him? :datass:


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: st1llnox]
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Zaid you do have pretty hardcore zazz with the way you are on here, but it does come across as hollow when the opinion/content ratio is off.


What kind of content is being expected from me to counter-act my 'opinions'? I'm just trying to keep conversation going.

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That said when I'm off this latest straight kick I wanna bang you.




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For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Really depends on your perspective on what God is. As I see it (especially in Sodom and Gomorrah) it has more to do with suffering by rejecting the natural order than the "supreme being" smiting dissidents over some abstract ideal.


What perspective of god led you to this?

The people of Sodom and Gomorrah weren't suffering, or going against the natural order. Kinda sounded like a party City. Seems like most of the inhabitants were probably having a good time.

god destroyed them because they were "wicked".
And then turned that one chick to salt, cause... Yeah.

How does this apply to the thread?

Zaid said:
Natural order is defined by no one. To go against the natural order is to try to apply Will  force.


If the natural order is defined by no one... How do you know it's definition? Let alone when your going against it?

Seems like made-up bullshit to me.


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Svetaketu]
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You seem to prefer to 'entertain' a huge amount of what you say here, with next to nothing to back it up.


As a moderator, you should know I've been over this.

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You seem a poor excuse for a man to me, and many others it seems.

I wonder why.




Most homosexuals are. :shrug:


i don't think there is a correlation between sexuality and morality, seems more like a projection from your personal life. how do you quantify "good" man and what is the rate of good men that are straight? 
Svetaketu said:
Seems like made-up bullshit to me.


when you are self hating the world gets distorted in an illogical way.


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Svetaketu]
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What perspective of god led you to this?


One where God is All. Not a man in the sky but the whole of Creation.

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The people of Sodom and Gomorrah weren't suffering, or going against the natural order. Kinda sounded like a party City. Seems like most of the inhabitants were probably having a good time.

god destroyed them because they were "wicked".
And then turned that one chick to salt, cause... Yeah.

How does this apply to the thread?


Again, this is from the perspective that God is trying to impose his ideals on the Sodomites when the whole point of the story is how the Sodomites were ultimately destroyed by their hedonism. God is a placeholder for forces not understood. And of course they weren't suffering, they polarized to pleasure so much that ultimately had to collapse into chaos and destruction. That's when their suffering started since it was long overdue.

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If the natural order is defined by no one... How do you know it's definition? Let alone when your going against it?


Think of it more along the lines of the laws of physics. No one defines it, they only discover it through persistent trial and error. What works and what doesn't. You'll know when it's not working because everything will go to shit.

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i don't think there is a correlation between sexuality and morality, seems more like a projection from your personal life. how do you quantify "good" man and what is the rate of good men that are straight? 


The quote in question was whether or not I am much of a man. Nothing to do with how good or bad someone is. It was more of a joke than anything, so take it with a grain of salt. :shrug:

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when you are self hating the world gets distorted in an illogical way.


Elaborate. I'm quite comfortable with myself and my sexuality but it doesn't mean my sexuality is a good influence on society either.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/09/18 08:39 PM)

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Again, this is from the perspective that God is trying to impose his ideals on the Sodomites when the whole point of the story is how the Sodomites were ultimately destroyed by their hedonism. God is a placeholder for forces not understood. And of course they weren't suffering, they polarized to pleasure so much that ultimately had to collapse into chaos and destruction. That's when their suffering started since it was long overdue.


So what your saying is... Homosexuality is Hedonistic?

And therefore will lead to suffering?

If not, I'm still not seeing the connection here.

Zaid said:
Think of it more along the lines of the laws of physics. No one defines it, they only discover it through persistent trial and error. What works and what doesn't.


And who are the scientists discovering the natural order through persistent trial and error?

Also I think your mixing up define and create, Physicists Do define the laws of physics, that doesn't mean they weren't always there.


Zaid said:
You'll know when it's not working because everything will go to shit.


Or, maybe things went to shit coincidentally.

If this was how people did science, we'd still be in the dark ages.


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Svetaketu]
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So what your saying is... Homosexuality is Hedonistic?

And therefore will lead to suffering?


That's correct.

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And who are the scientists discovering the natural order through persistent trial and error?

Also I think your mixing up define and create, Physicists Do define the laws of physics, that doesn't mean they weren't always there.



Sure the physicists attempt to define their interpretation of the laws, but a vast majority of the time they're wrong. I'm talking about the laws that physics operates under. Physicists certainly do not define those they merely attempt to discover them and encapsulate them in a coherent model.

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If this was how people did science, we'd still be in the dark ages.


Are you joking? Without repetitive trial and error to try to achieve a desired effect, science wouldn't have even been thought of.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/09/18 09:27 PM)

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
That's correct.




What about homosexuality is hedonistic?

Zaid said:
Sure the physicists attempt to define their interpretation of the laws, but a vast majority of the time they're wrong. I'm talking about the laws that physics operates under. Physicists certainly do not define those they merely attempt to discover them and encapsulate them in a coherent model.



No, physicists can, and do define the laws that govern physics.

Here's and example:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system.

Boom.

Governing law of the universe defined, and communicated using words.

What are some laws of "the natural order"?
Sounds like a way for you to rationalize calling things you dislike "unnatural".

Zaid said:
Are you joking? Without repetitive trial and error to try to achieve a desired effect, science wouldn't have even been thought of.


I quoted a specific part of your paragraph for a reason; just becasue something went to shit, doesn't mean you can assert why it went to shit.


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Svetaketu]
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What about homosexuality is hedonistic?


We contribute nothing to the gene pool and 100% of our sex lives are in the pursuit of pleasure. Heterosexuals not only get to enjoy sex but also have an opportunity to create something with it. Heterosexuals contribute to society with reproduction. Homosexuals complain society isn't nice enough to us and that definitions should be bent to fit with our feelings. (I'm speaking very generally here.)

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No, physicists can, and do define the laws that govern physics.

Here's and example:
Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system.

Boom.

Governing law of the universe defined, and communicated using words.


You're entirely missing my point. The fact that "Energy cannot be created or destroyed in an isolated system." is not governed by the physicist. He didn't write it down and suddenly all of reality started following that rule. It was a rule created at the beginning of the universe that the physicist merely discovered and put into words.

Edit: I suppose saying "created at the beginning of the universe" puts a bit too much faith in Science. What I mean to say is that the law would have existed and reality would have followed it regardless of whether or not the physicist was ever aware of it existing.

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I quoted a specific part of your paragraph for a reason; just becasue something went to shit, doesn't mean you can assert why it went to shit.


It was asserted in the biblical story, not by me. Take it more as a fable than a law of the universe.


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Wild Pleurotus Ostreatus - My First Grow Log!

For those of you who :pm:'d me about Paul Stamets silence on portabellos: bodhisatta graciously presents a real answer.

Edited by Zaid (10/09/18 10:03 PM)

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
Heterosexuals not only get to enjoy sex but also have an opportunity to create something with it. Heterosexuals contribute to society with reproduction.


I dispute the fact that reproduction is contributing to society. Overpopulation is the biggest problem in the world right now. We need less humans, not more of them.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Zaid]
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Zaid said:
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You seem to prefer to 'entertain' a huge amount of what you say here, with next to nothing to back it up.


As a moderator, you should know I've been over this.

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You seem a poor excuse for a man to me, and many others it seems.

I wonder why.


Most homosexuals are. :shrug:


And you are completely wrong with that statement. Maybe in your world or self actualization due to some self hating BS or who knows what, but, no. If you are saying things a lot of younger people feel about life right now, I'm a bit worried about you and the others like you. You seem to say some fairly intelligent things, but I think this "trolling" thing these days is very strong in many young people with a computer. Human interaction is definitely changing through the use of computers.


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: Not Responding]
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Not Responding said:



I'd grab that cute bears ass too!


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Re: I have nothing against the gays or their lifestyles but... [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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I dispute the fact that reproduction is contributing to society. Overpopulation is the biggest problem in the world right now. We need less humans, not more of them.


Regardless, we still need humans. If we all went gay it would be one fabulous generation but then it would end.

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If you are saying things a lot of younger people feel about life right now, I'm a bit worried about you and the others like you. You seem to say some fairly intelligent things, but I think this "trolling" thing these days is very strong in many young people with a computer. Human interaction is definitely changing through the use of computers.


It was a bad joke, I said so earlier. More an attempt at defending myself than anything. :shrug:

Anyway, please elaborate on your worries for me and my kind. What kind of problems do you see myself and people like me causing? What will this lead to? How do you suggest we improve? I'd love to hear from someone older and with more experience.


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