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young children are channels of their parents' opinions.
Aside from that, I see no basis for the argument against homosexuality. I was recently involved in a discussion with a Christian friend of mine and he said that he views homosexuality as a sin. He said we all have sins and that homosexuals do legitimately have feelings for other guys. I told him that most humans have an innate desire to pursue a significant other, so why can't homosexuals pursue a mate? He said that it's a sin and everyone has to fend off desires, so they should, too even if that means not experiencing love. He then began discussing how a pastor he knows is homosexual and lives on his own because it is against his belief to live with a woman and he can't live with a guy. He is a glutton because of it.
This spoke volumes to me. Mainly that love is something very strong that is embedded in us (yes, you can probably overcome it, but it seems like a very strong natural tendency) and that my friend is just flat out wrong. Everyone has a right to feel this feeling. There's no argument that logically and ethically supports why homosexuals should be discriminated against.
Sure, they can't produce babies, but they can adopt and there are plenty of heterosexuals who choose not to have kids.
Anyways, I want some conversation on this topic - I've read older posts, but I want to hear opinions. Religious perspectives would be cool. I'd like to hear another "true Christian's" opinion on it.
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What gets me is when people who aren't gay say that it's a choice. How the fuck would they know when they're not gay? Are they saying they themselves have homosexual tendencies but they CHOOSE to be straight?
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: schwarg] 1
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How is this still a debate we even need to have.... It would be nice if we just moved past this.
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The Vapor said: How is this still a debate we even need to have.... It would be nice if we just moved past this.
It totally would, but go talk to some children about things that they don't like. They may not say it around you, but they all know that the word gay means the same thing as the word bad.
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God makes gay people gay. You shouldnt confuse gay porn with gay love, just like you shouldnt confuse straight porn with straight love. Love is Love, it is pure.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: Asante] 2
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Pretty sure "god" could give two shits if you are gay or not.
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Depends on your definition. To me God is the universe, and the totality of the laws govening the universe worked in unison to make him gay, just like they do to make everything that is, be.
Cause and effect rules all, if somehing that is, wasn't, no matter how minute it seems, the entire universe is out of balance. Everything in this second is provided by the second before and this second too predestines everything that comes in the second after.
Whether you say the Universe enforces it or its God's Will, same thing. The fate of the entire universe rests on even the tiniest and seemingly most insignificant thing.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: Asante] 2
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: healing]
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It totally would, but go talk to some children about things that they don't like. They may not say it around you, but they all know that the word gay means the same thing as the word bad.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: fapjack]
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That video was so emotional. I had to share it with all my friends.
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It's sad that in a supposedly progressive society which celebrates diversity there's still institutionalised discrimination around the world. Equality shouldn't be a controversial subject.
It seems that things are only going backwards, from Russia's new laws against gay propaganda to India recently repealing the decriminalisation of homosexuality. Just today Australia's first same-sex marriage laws were overturned a week into their existence.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: TimmiT]
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Even in the US, still, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time things can get bad.
Oh also we can't get marrired... minor detail.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: st1llnox]
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Oh also we can't get marrired... minor detail. 
Not if your partner is in the hospital.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: healing]
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If your partners in the hospital, in most cases you're legally considered a complete stranger even if you live together and are raising a family. You'll likely be unable to have a say in their care and may even be denied the right to see them.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: st1llnox] 1
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I'm glad most all of us have reached the same conclusion.
If we keep pushing for it, it'll become more of a norm. Equality, as stated before, shouldn't be a question at all. If only this world could be ruled on only the law of ethics.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: st1llnox] 1
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Discriminating against people because they are gay is just as stupid as racism. Oops! I said the "r" word and jacked the thread.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: mpd]
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
There is more logic in racism than there is in being anti-gay.
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abltsandwich said: There is more logic in racism than there is in being anti-gay.
One study said that "race" genetically determines about 10% of us, which is pretty insignificant compared to what society views it. That number will continue to dwindle with "interracial breeding". I still wouldn't say there's any logic behind discriminating "races" especially considering that 10% difference is probably smaller when you compare any two random individuals.
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
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The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
Quit generalizing. As a whole, Africa is an extremely diverse place and not some backward, famine-ridden wasteland.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: healing] 2
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I forgot about all of those democracies that are doing so well in Africa. Today, we only hear about famines, Al-Qaeda terrorist attacks and HIV. It is sad.
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
What an ignorant thing to say. You've obviously never been to Africa.
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lol. it's all good, there's no logical basis for racism either.
The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
What an ignorant thing to say. You've obviously never been to Africa.
I believe a great many Africans would kill me just for being a pastey white boy regardless of my behavior towards them. Am I wrong to believe this? Regardless you can't argue against the fact that the overall infrastructure is almost too messed up to be fixed and their Human Development Indexes are generally very low.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: mpd]
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robbyberto said: I believe a great many Africans would kill me just for being a pastey white boy regardless of my behavior towards them.
In the real world, almost anywhere you go in Africa, white people are met with extreme hospitality and great respect as if they are a rockstar. The majority of Africans generally have strong positive bias towards white people, regardless of what white people did to their continent.
And homicide rates in the quiet parts of Africa, where there isnt war going on, are on average five to twenty times lower than in the US.
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: Asante]
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Personally, I think that homosexuality is gay.
What makes it inherently wrong is what I don't understand. When they say that everybody is equal, the word everybody also includes everybody.
Discrimination against a group that cause absolutely no damage to society is very stupid. Hell, gays contribute more to society. Has anyone seen a poor gay couple? These guys have cash. No women to waste it on.
One of my roommates is a muslim and he hates the gays (obviously), I get super defensive and shit to a point where he wonders if I'm gay. I say bitch, this is fucking Canada, you don't discriminate against people here. That normally shuts him up
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Re: Homosexuality [Re: Asante]
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Here is your Christian perspective:
I believe that the bible does not forbid monogamous homosexual relationships. I have come to this conclusion hanging out with some excellent theologians and NT scholars who have a strong understanding of Koine Greek.
Every time homosexuality is mentioned it is in connection with slavery and oppressive type relationships. I think the context found when the NT mentions homosexuality is that of prostitution and pederasty. Not monogamous relationships.
Even if I did not have the conclusion I would still support marriage equality fully.
What a sad story about the pastor, that is not the God I serve.
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The world would be better off with more homosexuals. They're usually educated and they don't have kids. A lot even adopt kids. What could be better for society?
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robbyberto said: I believe a great many Africans would kill me just for being a pastey white boy regardless of my behavior towards them. Am I wrong to believe this? Regardless you can't argue against the fact that the overall infrastructure is almost too messed up to be fixed and their Human Development Indexes are generally very low.
What makes you think the majority of Africans want to kill white people for no reason? Dude, shitty humans exist everywhere, but to say that the majority of a population wants to do that is beyond ignorant.
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Moreover, the reverse is true. Many Africans all over the continent think very highly of white people. Embarassingly highly, in fact.
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Yes. A lot of them hold European culture in high regard. My parents (born/raised in Nigeria) and many other African family friends can attest to this.
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The continent of Africa seems like a pretty decent reason for racism. It's a terrible place.
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I believe that the bible does not forbid monogamous homosexual relationships. I have come to this conclusion hanging out with some excellent theologians and NT scholars who have a strong understanding of Koine Greek.
Every time homosexuality is mentioned it is in connection with slavery and oppressive type relationships. I think the context found when the NT mentions homosexuality is that of prostitution and pederasty. Not monogamous relationships.
Even if I did not have the conclusion I would still support marriage equality fully.
What a sad story about the pastor, that is not the God I serve.
Thanks for the input. I'm glad to hear your perspective. It's a shame because my friend is extremely intelligent and says he reads the bible with the perspective of loving another like him/herself and that means equality. That is a sad story about the pastor, hopefully he'll realize a better way for himself.
Do tell me - what are your views on alcohol, marijuana, hard drugs and psychedelics, if you don't mind me asking of course.
Yes, Africa is diverse. It's a shame "white people" are praised there. No one should be praised based on their innate appearance.
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I'm quite happy for drugs to be legalised. Personally, I think if anything, alcohol and tobacco should be banned if you are going to ban drugs, purely on the health effects... Having Ssaid that I do quite like wine... I'm having a glass of red now.
The access I get with my uni allows me to look at journals from a wide range of fields. I did a cursory search on LSD and found it is probably one of the safest drugs out there.
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Good to hear. I don't see drugs as worse than lying, stealing, or eating shitty.
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I don't know shit about Africa, but I still believe there is at least some validity to what I said earlier. I'm sure that you fine folks are right though.
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Why say anything at all, then? Why make sweeping statements as if you know what you're talking about when you don't?
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