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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Selective breeding is artifical selection, which is basically evolution accelerated by humans.

But yeah, artifical selection is a metaphor for evolution basically.


I Highly appreciate it youve mentioned this.

I view it as:
artifical selection = metaphor for accelerated mutation.

theory of evolution in its current state like youve mentioned, is fully suppoted by catholic which is bein pushed by their schools in the mind of childrens.

This futher broaden my doubts on future of the Big pharma & GMO's.

"Pituatary gigantism" aint a normal evolution rather a mutation which is from the unclean/bad origin based on the BIBLE. Aint saying that a person with that mutation is bad. But rathers the origins of that mutation.

natural process of fine-tuned mutation & adaptations Eg.
Although not all mutation are bad specially naturally with time, for a specie to survive an incoming change, wether catasrophe or for good.. as ive mentioned in the earlier post.

Even other plant does this.
Eg present rice varieties is product of mutations over the past 45 million years.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/06/18 06:53 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Xerbia] * 1
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Xerbia said:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/02/500-renowned-scientists-jointly-share-why-they-reject-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

Interesting to see so many scientists changing their mind on the theory of evolution. Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas. Great topic to think about on some shroomies :wink:


Anybody who believes anything they read on that website is an idiot. Sorry, but there is no nicer way of saying it.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: waves]
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waves said:
Xerbia said:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/02/500-renowned-scientists-jointly-share-why-they-reject-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

Interesting to see so many scientists changing their mind on the theory of evolution. Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas. Great topic to think about on some shroomies :wink:


Anybody who believes anything they read on that website is an idiot. Sorry, but there is no nicer way of saying it.


Do not judge, so you will not be judged.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: lessismore] * 2
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lessismore said:
waves said:
Xerbia said:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/02/500-renowned-scientists-jointly-share-why-they-reject-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

Interesting to see so many scientists changing their mind on the theory of evolution. Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas. Great topic to think about on some shroomies :wink:


Anybody who believes anything they read on that website is an idiot. Sorry, but there is no nicer way of saying it.


Do not judge, so you will not be judged.


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Here’s another great quote from one of the scientists, Chris Williams, A Ph.D., Biochemistry Ohio State University:


Is this one of the supposedly "renowned scientists"? Some totally unknown guy who happens to have a Ph.D from Ohio State?

Having a Ph.D DOES NOT make you a "renowned scientist".

That quote from 'Chris Williams' (if that is even a real person) is over 10 years old. So are all the other quotes on the website referenced (https://dissentfromdarwin.org/scientists/)

Sorry, not trying to be a dick. It's just pretty obvious that the original article and the website it is referencing are a complete load of bullshit.

And it's not even fresh bullshit. This garbage has been sitting on the internet for 10 years now.

Edited by waves (08/04/18 08:57 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
TempestDnB said:
There is a decent picture being painted of our hominid ancestry via the fossil record and I believe DNA now as well. I don't think we're that special, I do think as a species we have a superiority complex though.


Do u believe we are the only intelligent species in the Universe?

Cause it sounds like u think theres other intelligent life out there....


I think life itself is intelligence. But to answer what you're getting at, yes, I think there are complex societies and life all throughout the universe.


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“How happy is the blameless vestal’s lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each pray’r accepted, and each wish resign’d”

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: waves]
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Calm down brother lessismore. He aint judhing but advising.:bow2:

waves said:
Xerbia said:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/02/500-renowned-scientists-jointly-share-why-they-reject-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

Interesting to see so many scientists changing their mind on the theory of evolution. Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas. Great topic to think about on some shroomies :wink:


Anybody who believes anything they read on that website is an idiot. Sorry, but there is no nicer way of saying it.


Folks Read this whole thread conversation instead.

Also Seek and Grow thy spiritual.
Your all welcome in my thread.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/04/18 08:42 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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TempestDnB said:
LogicaL Chaos said:
TempestDnB said:
There is a decent picture being painted of our hominid ancestry via the fossil record and I believe DNA now as well. I don't think we're that special, I do think as a species we have a superiority complex though.


Do u believe we are the only intelligent species in the Universe?

Cause it sounds like u think theres other intelligent life out there....


I think life itself is intelligence. But to answer what you're getting at, yes, I think there are complex societies and life all throughout the universe.


If id mirror that notion to the sciptures.
Yes there are vast. 1/3 the total of all stars.
Not just in outerspace but as unclean spirits in this planet.
Revelation, 12:4 - His tail drew one third of the stars of the sky, and threw them to the earth. The dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

A single biological mind is no greater than multiple.
Specially us a one whole.

But a one whole tangible mind aint no greater than a single ASTRAL MIND(God).

So it better to be a part of a whole by firstly following HIS ASTRAL TRAITS.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/04/18 09:34 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
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You put a lot of bible quotes in your replies, but also say things like
pacmanbreed said:
A day time line in the bible aint 24hr earth day.





So, we are supposed to take every word of the bible as truth, and base our understanding of the world on this truth.

But for this to work we need to redefine simple things such as the length of a day?!?!?!

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: foragedfungus] * 1
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morrowasted said:
I don't think we are disagreeing. I think the piece mischaracterizes and sensationalizes what are otherwise not unreasonable scientific perspectives

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Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown.

I don't think this is crazy at all


I personally disagree with this sentiment pretty strongly. As I alluded to before there are entire disciplines of science dedicated to self organization theory. Contrary to what this guy is saying many findings point to complex systems, like organisms, being inevitable consequences of basic laws of physics and chemistry.

The only reason you need fine tuning in a lab is because a lab is not early earth. It is an approximation. It's like fine tuning a culture dish to a microorganism. It's not any indication that they are in need of an intelligent nutritionist to figure out their dietary requirements. It is just simply that your attempts to approximate the appropriate conditions will never be 100% accurate and may need continual adjustment to get the desired results. Even when you are able to culture them it can have detrimental impacts on morphology, development, and behavior. Point is... organisms are idiosyncracies. Precipitates of conditions at a particular time and space that fine tune themselves in tandem with that environment. Failure to recreate the conditions that support their existence is not even close to sufficient evidence that an intelligent "fine tuning" is necessary. It is simply failure to recreate the original conditions which have an enormous amount of variables as well as a developmental history leading up to those conditions. It's no controversy that life is rare. We only witness these incredibly rare conditions because there is no one to observe all the failures. But despite how rare the actual emergence of "life" is, the natural tendency towards increasingly complex structures is ubiquitous and life will eventually emerge wherever it can.

Granted some complexity sciences are still rather "new". But I still think taking the "intelligent design" approach is a cop out to digging deeper.

Edited by JacksonMetaller (08/04/18 10:54 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: foragedfungus]
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foragedfungus said:
You put a lot of bible quotes in your replies, but also say things like
pacmanbreed said:
A day time line in the bible aint 24hr earth day.





So, we are supposed to take every word of the bible as truth, and base our understanding of the world on this truth.

But for this to work we need to redefine simple things such as the length of a day?!?!?!


For WISER HE is than any tangible mind..
He enlighten a lowly man to write all HIS word.
He enlightened a man with the theory of relativity.
So man wont conceited & be arrogant of him self. And always check thy self. One weakness of a man.
And tells humanity that the unseen exist. Eg. DARK MATTER.
SPECIALLY HIM AS OUR GREATEST FATHER.

Created thing in order million years apart if we use our planet time as based. But only a day to HIM.

Plant and its ogranism/bacteria alike are the oldest. Then fish and so on. Million earth years apart.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed] * 3
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Religion is a mental illness


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koods]
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:stoned: so having a relationship then is illness?

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Having a relationship with imaginary characters is


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Having a relationship with imaginary characters is


Pardon me on this.
So if a loveones biological body halted and rotten.
It Automatically cuts your relationship to the person without a biology?
For he is now considered only a character of your mind?

Eg. A child/wife/parents.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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They become a memory.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Crazy_Horse said:
They become a memory.


So you wont cry over their memory for the relationship is now voided biologically? For it is now only imaginary?

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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You can cry because you miss them or other things. It doesn't make them imaginary, it makes them past tense.

:archiebunker:

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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pacmanbreed said:
Crazy_Horse said:
They become a memory.


So you wont cry over their memory for the relationship is now voided biologically? For it is now only imaginary?


The difference is that they were a real person who you have met. You have never met god so any relationship you may have is made up in your head. It takes two beings interacting to form a relationship. You have no memory of god.

Are you religious because you're afraid of death and can't deal with losing people forever?

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Crazy_Horse said:
You can cry because you miss them or other things. It doesn't make them imaginary, it makes them past tense.

:archiebunker:


WHAT ABOUT JESUS!


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koods]
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Koods is my imaginary friend.

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