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Incest is not wrong.
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One of my friends recently mentioned this to me and I argued only to be shot down point blank....I was playing the emotional card, I was right because I felt it was right.....
It fucked up how we sometimes cant see past the way we feel to truly see our problem. Its like our mind is a big sea and some fish are to big to fry, so we just sidestep the battle with them only to be eaten up one day.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12653379 - 05/29/10 11:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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wait, so you are FOR having a go with your sister?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Psy Baba]
#12653388 - 05/29/10 11:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can say its not wrong but are you actually willing to go down on your sister or mother
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Should explain his reasoning behind it.
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KroniclyHigh said: You can say its not wrong but are you actually willing to go down on your sister or mother
I find that faulty logic/reasoning, because I find that homosexual relations are just as moral as hetero; yet I'm not willing to go down on a guy because I'm not gay myself.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Kisper]
#12653418 - 05/29/10 11:37 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kisper said:
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KroniclyHigh said: You can say its not wrong but are you actually willing to go down on your sister or mother
I find that faulty logic/reasoning, because I find that homosexual relations are just as moral as hetero; yet I'm not willing to go down on a guy because I'm not gay myself.
Its not the same though willing to go down on the same sex is not the same as willing to go down on your mother because you think incest is okay sexual orientation is completely diffrent
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Just because I say something isn't wrong doesn't mean I am going to go do it.
I don't think its wrong to be ghey, so apparently I am going to go look for some cock to put up my ass?
That was pretty blunt, but sometimes thats what it takes to get through thick skulls.
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If you want to go down on your sister or brother there is nothing wrong with that... but you nasty
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa] 1
#12653443 - 05/29/10 11:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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But why do you think its okay, your not willing to go down on your mother but whats your reasoning behind thinking its okay personally I find it disgusting and even taking away the emotional elemnet there is still the genetic side to it, its just wrong even in nature genetic inbreeding causes huge defects and problems with immune systems and the likes
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Kisper]
#12653444 - 05/29/10 11:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is what I believe.
I do not want to go down on my mom or sister, because number one I don't have a mom, she's been gone for a year now and number two because I never found my mom particularly attractive, her personality was very different than mine and I don't find a person sexually attractive unless they have the same personality as I do, particularly holding the same beliefs as I do and acting on them.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: EdgeChaos]
#12653448 - 05/29/10 11:43 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Classic retarded nonesense....
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12653469 - 05/29/10 11:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is wrong? I personalty find it disgusting.
But who am I to say that someone is less of a person for doing something they like?
edit: what's wrong with you? I'm agreeing with you fool.
Edited by EdgeChaos (05/29/10 11:53 PM)
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: EdgeChaos]
#12653476 - 05/29/10 11:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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incest isnt wrong, just dont tell anyone, nobody should care anyways i dont see what the big deal is
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa] 1
#12653493 - 05/29/10 11:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
This is what I believe.
I do not want to go down on my mom or sister, because number one I don't have a mom, she's been gone for a year now and number two because I never found my mom particularly attractive, her personality was very different than mine and I don't find a person sexually attractive unless they have the same personality as I do, particularly holding the same beliefs as I do and acting on them.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: vinsue]
#12653496 - 05/29/10 11:55 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said:
I don't think its wrong to be ghey, so apparently I am going to go look for some cock to put up my ass.
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AlphaFalfa said:
This is what I believe.
I do not want to go down on my mom or sister, because number one I don't have a mom, she's been gone for a year now and number two because I never found my mom particularly attractive, her personality was very different than mine and I don't find a person sexually attractive unless they have the same personality as I do, particularly holding the same beliefs as I do and acting on them.
...Dad or brother? . . .
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: vinsue]
#12653503 - 05/29/10 11:57 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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just mind ur own business and u wont need an opinion either way
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: dusk] 2
#12653517 - 05/30/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The incest taboo is one of the strongest inherent biological instincts we have. It doesn't have to be taught, just like basic morals. Religion likes to take credit for morals, but the fact remains that someone raised in a total absence of religious training, such as natives in isolated jungle communities know it's wrong to steal, kill, AND commit incest.
One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: EdgeChaos]
#12653518 - 05/30/10 12:03 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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EdgeChaos said: If you want to go down on your sister or brother there is nothing wrong with that... but you nasty
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What about contraception. If you say that genetics is the reason why it is wrong, then where in our genes does mother nature imprint, (SLAP CONDOM on, MAKE SURE ITS TROJAN)
This argument is irrelevant, humans are supernatural.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: vinsue]
#12653535 - 05/30/10 12:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its the same argument.
That was cute though with the peace sign, after all this flaming on these idiots, you probally think Im gonna flame you.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12653537 - 05/30/10 12:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Incest is best.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12653546 - 05/30/10 12:12 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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its different for each person...sometimes it feels wrong sometimes it doesnt.......mother nature isnt ur guardian shes just there with you, making babies with family IS wrong
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RogerRabbit said: The incest taboo is one of the strongest inherent biological instincts we have. It doesn't have to be taught, just like basic morals. Religion likes to take credit for morals, but the fact remains that someone raised in a total absence of religious training, such as natives in isolated jungle communities know it's wrong to steal, kill, AND commit incest.
One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
Rodger I see your point and I would 100% completely agree if the two people were making babies. An inbreed is wrong because it affects someone else.
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I was making a generalized statement.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: EdgeChaos]
#12653562 - 05/30/10 12:16 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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NO.
'You' is as specific as it gets.
Pubbers, for example, would have led me to believe otherwise.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12653583 - 05/30/10 12:21 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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If one wants to go down on his or her brother or sister there is nothing wrong with that. But that person is nasty.
... So much for the ebonics comedy goldmine
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: EdgeChaos]
#12653596 - 05/30/10 12:23 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is ok I guess. Unfortunately if this is a common occurrence in your family for generations children will eventually become disfigured and/or inbred.
Even the first generation of inbred children may be effected mentally, but after successive generations genetic disorders or even disfigurement. If you look at the wiki article you can see likelihood percentages of potential problems. Bro and sis is at 25% which is pretty high.
But I guess as long as both parties are mentally fit and willing it would be OK as long as they weren't trying to have kids.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Idiot]
#12653618 - 05/30/10 12:30 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's called wincest for a reason.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: deCypher]
#12653670 - 05/30/10 12:46 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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this is a confusing topic. if nowadays sex is regarded as a particular form of entertainment, considering the use of anything that can prevent its particular purpose (condoms, b.c, etc) than it can be kind of seen on the same level as watching a movie with a family member(or any other type of shared entertainment).
i myself can't say i'm for it. but with the way society is headed it doesnt seem unlikely it would cease to be frowned upon.
i think its a breeding ground for bad news though.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: igwna]
#12654671 - 05/30/10 08:58 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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What if one the incest is homoerotic and/or one of the individuals has 100% no capacity to reproduce?
Then the answer is pretty clear.
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RogerRabbit said: The incest taboo is one of the strongest inherent biological instincts we have. It doesn't have to be taught, just like basic morals. Religion likes to take credit for morals, but the fact remains that someone raised in a total absence of religious training, such as natives in isolated jungle communities know it's wrong to steal, kill, AND commit incest.
One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
Says who? You? There are villages today that practice STRICTLY incest..
Mother nature by nature, is not 100% set in stone on what is right and what is wrong, brah.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: feifen]
#12654702 - 05/30/10 09:07 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you believe the words in the bible, mankind was established by incest that and cain screwing monkeys or something in the land of Nod
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12654722 - 05/30/10 09:12 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think it's wrong to be sexually attracted to your mother, sister or a family member. It's just wrong to act on those feelings.
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GrassRackets said: I don't think it's wrong to be sexually attracted to your mother, sister or a family member. It's just wrong to act on those feelings.
And why is that? Why is it "wrong"
Thats the same principle as every anti-drug person saying using drugs is "wrong and immoral"
Please explain.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: feifen]
#12654758 - 05/30/10 09:22 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know. It's just something I was taught honestly.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: feifen]
#12654773 - 05/30/10 09:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not necessarily wrong, but to our species(at this point) it is a detrimental attribute to survival of the fittest. So if somebody wants to practice that, by all means, do. The world can use a few less men.
And to OP, take a joke man. Your cutting remarks and butthurtness make your case less effective. People can think what they want. And you can feel however you like about the subject, but your hypothetical scenarios make your feelings all the more inconsequential.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12654777 - 05/30/10 09:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: The incest taboo is one of the strongest inherent biological instincts we have. It doesn't have to be taught, just like basic morals. Religion likes to take credit for morals, but the fact remains that someone raised in a total absence of religious training, such as natives in isolated jungle communities know it's wrong to steal, kill, AND commit incest.
One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
This is totally false. The incest taboo is called such because it is NOT a biological instinct, but a social taboo. Look into the different types of societies (matriarchal, patriarchal, bilineal etc.) and you will see many societies have very different rules about who you can and cannot have sex/get married with.
This doesn't change the fact that it DOES carry biological significance, since incestuous relations do increase the chances of birth defects.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12654799 - 05/30/10 09:38 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The hypothetical scenario is meant to expose the true meaning of my post and IT is something realistic that can happen in our world, considering condoms, birth control, homosexuality...(I LOLED WHEN I THOUGHT HOW YOU CLAIMED HOMOEROTIC BEHAVIOR AS A HYPOTHETICAL)
The hypothetical scenario is made to test whether you are emotionally reacting to this subject or actually looking at is rationally, it is FAR from hypothetical and in fact happens in our world. Homosexuality as hypothetical, LOL.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12654834 - 05/30/10 09:45 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've heard it was pretty common in rural parts of the US back in the day. Basically moms were doing their sons in order to keep them from leaving the family farm.
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RogerRabbit said: One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
actually inbreeding in nature is incredibly common, i would also argue the social taboo aspect over biological instinct. inbreeding depression among wildlife populations is a pretty interesting area of study.. it can decrease overall heterozygosity and increase the expression of recessive harmful alleles, but on the other hand, its a sure-fire way to pass on your genes... and in nature, reproduction is always a struggle.
we humans are the exception to a lot of rules.
step siblings on the other hand...
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12655328 - 05/30/10 11:48 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't care about the homoerotic part or the inability to reproduce. Those things do happen. But as far as you say, the "what if" part makes incest as being "ok" something conditional rather than unconditional, you only contradict yourself.
So stop being so damn self-righteous, it makes you look like an asshole.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12655603 - 05/30/10 12:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think your quite ignorant and/or did not understand what I said correctly.
You really have to elaborate on the unconditional/conditional, concept.
Also, self-rightousness is relative to whatever you use as a value. My values do not even involve the intellectually lazy concept of 'self-rightous'.
Try not to judge what I am saying as if it shows my character to easily, you look like a fool.
Not ONLY because we are on the internet, but more importantly because we all have different values, especially me and you.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12655689 - 05/30/10 01:04 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol, just because I question YOUR judgments I look like a fool?
that makes so much sense
Not like I even care if I look like a fool or not. It's all a bunch of he said-she said bullshit going on around here anyway.
We're probably more alike than you think, and everyone else is more alike to you than you're willing to give them credit for. So, lighten up, that's all I'm sayin.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12655707 - 05/30/10 01:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as the conditional/unconditional bit goes... your argument is that incest should be universally accepted as "ok".
Then you go on to say that it's more ok if there is no chance to reproduce.
It either is or it isn't. So which is it?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: blewmeanie]
#12656107 - 05/30/10 02:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: I've heard it was pretty common in rural parts of the US back in the day. Basically moms were doing their sons in order to keep them from leaving the family farm.
you just described present day West Va.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12656334 - 05/30/10 03:17 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: One of my friends recently mentioned this to me and I argued only to be shot down point blank....I was playing the emotional card, I was right because I felt it was right.....
It fucked up how we sometimes cant see past the way we feel to truly see our problem. Its like our mind is a big sea and some fish are to big to fry, so we just sidestep the battle with them only to be eaten up one day.
I completely agree with you. If a person wants to have sex or a relationship with his sibling or other, its their fucking business, not mine. Because of genetic risks I would not support procreation however.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: ManianFH]
#12656360 - 05/30/10 03:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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if this was mom hmmm idk wut i would do ahahahah
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: ManianFH]
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the OP is obviously under 18 and "trolling".
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: jim617]
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Incest in an immediate family is messed up.
But, cousins do end up falling in love with each other and, especially if it's 2nd cousins or greater, the chances of a birth defect are very small. So, to me, it depends on the degrees of separation.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Hendostan]
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RogerRabbit said: One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
actually inbreeding in nature is incredibly common, i would also argue the social taboo aspect over biological instinct. inbreeding depression among wildlife populations is a pretty interesting area of study.. it can decrease overall heterozygosity and increase the expression of recessive harmful alleles, but on the other hand, its a sure-fire way to pass on your genes... and in nature, reproduction is always a struggle.
we humans are the exception to a lot of rules.
step siblings on the other hand...
http://www.tru.ca/ae/php/phil/mclaughl/students/phil224/cm/ethics2.htm
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Among humans, there exists a universal taboo against incest. It is hard to describe incest, as it is hard to put a bead on what it is about incest that we, as humans, dislike. The existence of the taboo stems from many properties of incest that instil fear in humans. Although the rules and views on incest vary between cultures, incest is prohibited in probably every human culture. We can infer from this that the avoidance of incest is embedded into human nature. So natural is the avoidance of incest, in fact, that we see similar traits in our closest primate relatives from the animal kingdom. With further examination of these observations, we can attempt to derive a definition of incest in human culture. ............. The universal human avoidance of incest seems to arise naturally, since it can be observed that it is embedded so deeply in our nature, that we can see it arise in our primate relatives! Chimpanzees, olive baboons, rhesus monkeys, and Japanese macaques rarely mate with close kin. In Jane Goodall’s essay: “Incest Avoidance Among Chimpanzees,” she gives as evidence of this through her observations of chimpanzees. Goodall observed that mating between males and their mothers is extremely rare. In the rare case when a male made sexual advances toward his mother, he is rejected, although most advances from other chimps are accepted. The mothers would go so far as to get their back stomped on rather than submit to sexual intercourse with their son. Only persistent males who manage to chase down or corner their mother succeed in copulating with them, and even then, the mother often runs away before ejaculation. Goodall also observed that chimps tend to avoid sexual relations between brother and sister. The female sibling was seen to mate much less frequently with her brothers, as compared to the amount of times with other chimps. When the male sibling displays a sexual interest in his sister, quite often she turns him down by walking away, resisting, or even attacking him. Even in the exceptional circumstance where a chimp was often seen to mate with her brother, she resisted his advances much more often than she resisted the advances of other chimps. It was seen that chimps avoid incestuous behaviour towards immediate family. No account was made with regards to father-daughter relationships, because only the mother stays with the babies to raise them. Consequentially, neither the chimps nor Goodall has any idea as to who any particular chimp’s father is. Since chimps obviously don’t comply with written laws, their avoidance of incest must be restricted to notions of familiarity or kinship.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
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RogerRabbit said: One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
actually inbreeding in nature is incredibly common, i would also argue the social taboo aspect over biological instinct. inbreeding depression among wildlife populations is a pretty interesting area of study.. it can decrease overall heterozygosity and increase the expression of recessive harmful alleles, but on the other hand, its a sure-fire way to pass on your genes... and in nature, reproduction is always a struggle.
we humans are the exception to a lot of rules.
step siblings on the other hand...
http://www.tru.ca/ae/php/phil/mclaughl/students/phil224/cm/ethics2.htm
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Among humans, there exists a universal taboo against incest. It is hard to describe incest, as it is hard to put a bead on what it is about incest that we, as humans, dislike. The existence of the taboo stems from many properties of incest that instil fear in humans. Although the rules and views on incest vary between cultures, incest is prohibited in probably every human culture. We can infer from this that the avoidance of incest is embedded into human nature. So natural is the avoidance of incest, in fact, that we see similar traits in our closest primate relatives from the animal kingdom. With further examination of these observations, we can attempt to derive a definition of incest in human culture. ............. The universal human avoidance of incest seems to arise naturally, since it can be observed that it is embedded so deeply in our nature, that we can see it arise in our primate relatives! Chimpanzees, olive baboons, rhesus monkeys, and Japanese macaques rarely mate with close kin. In Jane Goodall’s essay: “Incest Avoidance Among Chimpanzees,” she gives as evidence of this through her observations of chimpanzees. Goodall observed that mating between males and their mothers is extremely rare. In the rare case when a male made sexual advances toward his mother, he is rejected, although most advances from other chimps are accepted. The mothers would go so far as to get their back stomped on rather than submit to sexual intercourse with their son. Only persistent males who manage to chase down or corner their mother succeed in copulating with them, and even then, the mother often runs away before ejaculation. Goodall also observed that chimps tend to avoid sexual relations between brother and sister. The female sibling was seen to mate much less frequently with her brothers, as compared to the amount of times with other chimps. When the male sibling displays a sexual interest in his sister, quite often she turns him down by walking away, resisting, or even attacking him. Even in the exceptional circumstance where a chimp was often seen to mate with her brother, she resisted his advances much more often than she resisted the advances of other chimps. It was seen that chimps avoid incestuous behaviour towards immediate family. No account was made with regards to father-daughter relationships, because only the mother stays with the babies to raise them. Consequentially, neither the chimps nor Goodall has any idea as to who any particular chimp’s father is. Since chimps obviously don’t comply with written laws, their avoidance of incest must be restricted to notions of familiarity or kinship.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12656529 - 05/30/10 03:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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blewmeanie said: I've heard it was pretty common in rural parts of the US back in the day. Basically moms were doing their sons in order to keep them from leaving the family farm.
you just described present day West Va.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
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I do not so much as disagree with the reasoning, besides the inference that because it exists in all cultures, we can assume some form of biological synchronicity that expresses itself in our genes.
What I highly disagree with, is that if we relate chimpanzee behavior to human behavior, there exists a massive problem. Sure they are our closest or one of the closest relatives in nature, but then again, we have about 93% the same gene's as a fucking lab rat and many other mammals.
Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not. They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them. Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
All these things clearly show that you cannot SUBSUME morals from NATURE because human beings are capable of manipulating nature, sexual response comes to mind and so does food and shelter. We are masters of our environments, where as chimps are clearly incapable of doing so.
Therefore, we cannot draw guidence in our lives from the natural environment, because we are no longer embdedded in it directly, we are seperate masters of it.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: deCypher]
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ask Charles Darwin about the ills of incest; even with non-immediate family members like cousins. feel his pain.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12656719 - 05/30/10 04:32 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread is awesome.
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Among humans, there exists a universal taboo against incest. It is hard to describe incest, as it is hard to put a bead on what it is about incest that we, as humans, dislike. The existence of the taboo stems from many properties of incest that instil fear in humans. Although the rules and views on incest vary between cultures, incest is prohibited in probably every human culture. We can infer from this that the avoidance of incest is embedded into human nature. So natural is the avoidance of incest, in fact, that we see similar traits in our closest primate relatives from the animal kingdom. With further examination of these observations, we can attempt to derive a definition of incest in human culture. ............. The universal human avoidance of incest seems to arise naturally, since it can be observed that it is embedded so deeply in our nature, that we can see it arise in our primate relatives! Chimpanzees, olive baboons, rhesus monkeys, and Japanese macaques rarely mate with close kin. In Jane Goodall’s essay: “Incest Avoidance Among Chimpanzees,” she gives as evidence of this through her observations of chimpanzees. Goodall observed that mating between males and their mothers is extremely rare. In the rare case when a male made sexual advances toward his mother, he is rejected, although most advances from other chimps are accepted. The mothers would go so far as to get their back stomped on rather than submit to sexual intercourse with their son. Only persistent males who manage to chase down or corner their mother succeed in copulating with them, and even then, the mother often runs away before ejaculation. Goodall also observed that chimps tend to avoid sexual relations between brother and sister. The female sibling was seen to mate much less frequently with her brothers, as compared to the amount of times with other chimps. When the male sibling displays a sexual interest in his sister, quite often she turns him down by walking away, resisting, or even attacking him. Even in the exceptional circumstance where a chimp was often seen to mate with her brother, she resisted his advances much more often than she resisted the advances of other chimps. It was seen that chimps avoid incestuous behaviour towards immediate family. No account was made with regards to father-daughter relationships, because only the mother stays with the babies to raise them. Consequentially, neither the chimps nor Goodall has any idea as to who any particular chimp’s father is. Since chimps obviously don’t comply with written laws, their avoidance of incest must be restricted to notions of familiarity or kinship.
Great post
you mean great copy and paste?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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AlphaFalfa said: I do not so much as disagree with the reasoning, besides the inference that because it exists in all cultures, we can assume some form of biological synchronicity that expresses itself in our genes.
What I highly disagree with, is that if we relate chimpanzee behavior to human behavior, there exists a massive problem. Sure they are our closest or one of the closest relatives in nature, but then again, we have about 93% the same gene's as a fucking lab rat and many other mammals.
And a much higher degree of similarity with Pan Troglodytes. A significant portion of our genome is junk DNA as well, there but unexpressed. Nonetheless, chimpanzees are our closest relatives.Quote:
Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not.
Oh no? Somebody should clue in European roalty throughout history. Just because they feel like it? Did they tell you that was why? Also see lions.Quote:
They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them.
Yep, which actually supports the thesis that the incest taboo is ingrained as opposed to learned.Quote:
Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
There is no doubt that humans are one of the few, if not the only, species that engages in sexual activity purely for pleasure. Not relevant to the discussion of whether there is an innate proscription against incest. As far as your insane notion that the occasional appearance of perverts somehow relates to the general population, I will simply say this; I find none of these things sexually attractive; "children, violence, other species of animals, elderly infertile people, various objects" I don't know anybody who does. Quote:
All these things clearly show that you cannot SUBSUME morals from NATURE because human beings are capable of manipulating nature, sexual response comes to mind and so does food and shelter. We are masters of our environments, where as chimps are clearly incapable of doing so.
I didn't call it "morals". And chimps most certainly are to a certain extent (as are we) masters of their environment. Which has not one thing to do with the inate nature of the proscription against incest among primates.Quote:
Therefore, we cannot draw guidence in our lives from the natural environment, because we are no longer embdedded in it directly, we are seperate masters of it.
I wasn't suggesting in the least bit that we should draw guidance from nature but it is beyond ignorant to suggest that we are not "embedded in it directly." We sure as shit are.
Look, if you want to fuck your sister and your mom and your brother, I don't fucking care. The fact that I don't care doesn't mean that I don't think you are a freak show asshole if you do.
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KroniclyHigh said: genetic inbreeding causes huge defects and problems with immune systems and the likes
This is why birth control exists.
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I agree, but then it would kind of equalize because you would be equally as hot and find it easy to get people just as hot.
Still I imagine I would like my mom if she was just like a thousand times more informed than she already is.
I like pretty much all people who are intelligent, sexually, as long as they dont weigh like 400 pounds(which in turn shows me that they know little about their health, which in turn would turn me off) LOL
Before skinny bitches I always associated with a lack of a love of food and I found that really unattractive.....
lulz
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Hendostan]
#12656755 - 05/30/10 04:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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you mean great copy and paste?
Perhaps you will like the one directly above better. Unless of course you have a hankering for your sister.
By the way, that was just in response specifically to your assertion regarding incest in nature, which you seemed to believe was normal.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12656764 - 05/30/10 04:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: if you believe the words in the bible, mankind was established by incest that and cain screwing monkeys or something in the land of Nod
If you look at the followers of the bible, it seems they're inbred too!
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The thing is, none of us are attracted to our family members....
so how incest even happens is beyond me.
I mean honestly, how many people do you know that are all "Yo dude, my mom is fucking smoking! OMG bang bang bang"
No. that just doesn't happen.
so how this got started in the first place is a f'n mystery cuz the shit doesn't make any sense!!!
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The thing is, none of us are attracted to our family members....
Us who? The entirety of the Shroomery? The entire population of earth?
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No. that just doesn't happen.
This should explain why nobody ever fucks their family members.
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Dude maybe you just have an ugly family. I know some of my cousins get me going once in awhile. Just have to remember it's what naturally happens when we see someone who's gorgeous so I don't feel like a sick fuck.
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Cough*Respressed sexual desires for mama*Cough
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Stop projecting.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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I'm seeing where OP is coming from based off what Synthetic just said because I can relate.
Inherently, humans like certain things about people that makes them sexually attracted. Things like being socially selective(being hard to get), local repetition(how much a person is around you or how much you associate them with "normality"), symmetry and body/facial features(how accustomed they are to certain characteristics), etc..
Sometimes it so happens that these simple inherent "vibes" are directed toward one of blood relation.
Still, by no means does that imply that incest(as an action) should be universally acceptable.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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Incest? More like Wincest amirite?
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KroniclyHigh said: genetic inbreeding causes huge defects and problems with immune systems and the likes
This is why birth control exists.
So a son can fuck his mother?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: The_Ghost]
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The_Ghost said: Incest? More like Wincest amirite?
Too late, bro.
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The_Ghost said: Incest? More like Wincest amirite?
Too late, bro.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
#12656971 - 05/30/10 05:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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The irony is not in my projection, and also, who the fuck are you?
Its in the fact that I see nothing wrong with it anyways.
Don't hate the messenger , hate the message man.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
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I agree and thats because reproduction is a function of incest and that is not 100% universally acceptable.
Do you think it is acceptable to allow a person who intends on using their son as a Muhajeen, in some terrorist attack to reproduce? Just like I do not think it is acceptable for a racist person to reproduce.
The question related to the taboo, the social aspect of incest, and all its funny and interesting opponents and proponents.
I am glad you understand me now, because I was getting pretty pissed off and about to flame you for telling me to calm down or w/e you thought I need to follow your opinion on about my behaviour.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12657132 - 05/30/10 05:52 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: The irony is not in my projection, and also, who the fuck are you?
Life is not made of irony alone. Who am I? I'm a frail wallflower who has spent several years just watching people post on the shroomery.Quote:
Its in the fact that I see nothing wrong with it anyways.
Yes, I see that. I see nothing wrong with anybody who thinks it is a perverse freak show. Funny how tolerance works, isn't it?Quote:
Don't hate the messenger , hate the message man.
I don't think we're talking about messengers and messages. How's this for a message;
"People who engage in incest are perverted freakshow assholes."
Don't hate the messenger, dude.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
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Your posts on the politics forum sure made you reek of conservatism.
You obviously do not wish to debate, but wish to push your opinion on others; otherwise why the fuck else would you stop arguing and say nothing about what my post said about yours?
Surely, most can see that those who give opinions, knowing others will comment, then up right belligerently mocking their opinion, are merely here to push idea's and not exchange in course with a discussion.
But then again what good does this do? I guese its really just a vent because you obviously stopped exploring the world with reason and are motivated intellectually by emotions.
Then again, what good is it that you post here? To ethically cleanse us with your quasi-evangelical crap, hidden amongst evolutionary dogma?
Then again,
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AlphaFalfa said: Your posts on the politics forum sure made you reek of conservatism.
I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Quote:
You obviously do not wish to debate, but wish to push your opinion on others; otherwise why the fuck else would you stop arguing and say nothing about what my post said about yours?
What precisely are you referring to? Push my opinion? Not one bit more than you do. What do you want to argue about? That there isn't a genetic proscription against incest among primates? I thought I already beat that stupid canard into the earth and buried it. What do you want to debate now? The meaning of "wrong"? Quote:
Surely, most can see that those who give opinions, knowing others will comment, then up right belligerently mocking their opinion, are merely here to push idea's and not exchange in course with a discussion.
I do believe that that would be ................YOU!Quote:
But then again what good does this do? I guese its really just a vent because you obviously stopped exploring the world with reason and are motivated intellectually by emotions.
I am not the one trying to justify what my dick wants with some fatuous argument that defies biology and pretty much the entirety of human society. But hey, you're rebel and you just gotta......... The dick wants what the dick wants.Quote:
Then again, what good is it that you post here? To ethically cleanse us with your quasi-evangelical crap, hidden amongst evolutionary dogma?
Then again,
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
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The_Ghost said: Incest? More like Wincest amirite?
Too late, bro.
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why would you feed the beast?
someone needs to come forward with a personal story of incest; try to make it a happy ending, plz
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
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You obviously do not wish to debate, but wish to push your opinion on others; otherwise why the fuck else would you stop arguing and say nothing about what my post said about yours?
What precisely are you referring to? Push my opinion? Not one bit more than you do. What do you want to argue about? That there isn't a genetic proscription against incest among primates? I thought I already beat that stupid canard into the earth and buried it. What do you want to debate now? The meaning of "wrong"? Quote:
Surely, most can see that those who give opinions, knowing others will comment, then up right belligerently mocking their opinion, are merely here to push idea's and not exchange in course with a discussion.
I do believe that that would be ................YOU!
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But then again what good does this do? I guess its really just a vent because you obviously stopped exploring the world with reason and are motivated intellectually by emotions.
I am not the one trying to justify what my dick wants with some fatuous argument that defies biology and pretty much the entirety of human society. But hey, you're rebel and you just gotta......... The dick wants what the dick wants.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12659096 - 05/31/10 01:32 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think everyone in this thread is just jealous they don't have a hot sister.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: deCypher]
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Mr. Cypher said: I think everyone in this thread is just jealous they don't have a hot sister.
You have a hot sister?
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LOL I was just kidding, gosh.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: deCypher]
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If you did, I would ask you to hook me up with her. If she's anything like you I'm sure my life would be complete.
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Prisoner#1 said: if you believe the words in the bible, mankind was established by incest that and cain screwing monkeys or something in the land of Nod
If you look at the followers of the bible, it seems they're inbred too!
I see that a great deal with people that reject religion and those that take up belief systems from other cultures that they have no real familiarity with so it seems it's not mutually exclusive to the christians
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I feel its wrong because you should be able to trust your family members to a certain degree that they arent getting horney off of you or thinking of having sex with you.
If its consentual between two willing individuals? I still say its wrong because you are perverting your normal family relation which is a beautiful thing. Family is everything in life and if you have sex with your family you will bring shame and disgust into a beautiful thing.
thats the best way I can explain it lol
second cousins is probably ok
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: zappaisgod]
#12660223 - 05/31/10 10:29 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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you mean great copy and paste?
Perhaps you will like the one directly above better. Unless of course you have a hankering for your sister.
By the way, that was just in response specifically to your assertion regarding incest in nature, which you seemed to believe was normal.
yeah i didn't see that until after
... and it is normal in nature, depending on the species. your paper only discusses chimps, which happen to be one of our closest primate relatives. i'm guessing there is some aspect of adaptation that has selected against incest in primates, due to the deleterious genetic effects. hence why most normal people find it disgusting.
but there are species out there that propagate entirely by inbreeding... that was my only point. there is a difference between methods of reproduction in nature and our social concepts of sex.
i don't have a hankering for my sister
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Hendostan]
#12660234 - 05/31/10 10:31 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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99% of incest is sexual abuse on a child.
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If both parties are in agreement with it, then where is the wrong and harm?
However, if the case is an adult male/female taking advantage of a child or baby's are trying to be made that I believe is wrong because in both situations someone is being manipulated against their own free will. The child has no concept of what is going on, and neither has the intelligence to be able to do much about it. And the baby will/can be born with lesser genetics. Once you violate someone's freewill then that in my opinion is wrong. And there's nothing right about that.
It's taboo because most people don't understand these simple concepts so the easiest thing to do is to outlaw it and make it that it's against the law.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DRAGON_0]
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Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not. They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them. Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
More falsehoods! There are species of animals that can actually regulate how many, if any at all, young they produce as a result of mating based on available food supplies. These animals are actually far more advanced in the practice of contraception than we are!
You really shouldn't make absolutist statements when you have no idea what you're talking about.
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RogerRabbit said: The incest taboo is one of the strongest inherent biological instincts we have. It doesn't have to be taught, just like basic morals. Religion likes to take credit for morals, but the fact remains that someone raised in a total absence of religious training, such as natives in isolated jungle communities know it's wrong to steal, kill, AND commit incest.
One look at those who ignore their instincts and commit incest reveals just why the inherited taboo is so strong. Don't fuck with mother nature. RR
Would it be considered incest?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#12660670 - 05/31/10 12:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is a movie called "Spanking the Monkey" that is pretty good.
..."Things reach their boiling point when Ray and his mother get drunk one night, leading to an incestuous encounter that pushes him over the edge."...
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Well seeing as it makes for a greater chance for your children to be born retarded or fucked up in some way I might pass that one up.
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Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not. They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them. Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
More falsehoods! There are species of animals that can actually regulate how many, if any at all, young they produce as a result of mating based on available food supplies. These animals are actually far more advanced in the practice of contraception than we are!
You really shouldn't make absolutist statements when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Well he uses big words to back it up so it's all good.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
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Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not. They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them. Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
More falsehoods! There are species of animals that can actually regulate how many, if any at all, young they produce as a result of mating based on available food supplies. These animals are actually far more advanced in the practice of contraception than we are!
You really shouldn't make absolutist statements when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Well he uses big words to back it up so it's all good.
I would love to see a link to what credible source would say animals are more advanced at NOT having children than those who use 99.99% effective birth control. This is fucking great.
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drunkenlawngnome said: 99% of incest is sexual abuse on a child.
I was going to say that, I just didn't know if it was a fact or not. I do think thought that 99% of child abuse stemmed from incest. Is this a fact or not?
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: pornisfun2]
#12660985 - 05/31/10 01:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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pornisfun2 said: I feel its wrong because you should be able to trust your family members to a certain degree that they arent getting horney off of you or thinking of having sex with you.
If its consentual between two willing individuals? I still say its wrong because you are perverting your normal family relation which is a beautiful thing. Family is everything in life and if you have sex with your family you will bring shame and disgust into a beautiful thing.
thats the best way I can explain it lol
second cousins is probably ok
Cool so you don't have any real reasons why you feel its wrong. It's just wrong just because you feel this way.
Social stigmas, LOL
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: feifen]
#12662045 - 05/31/10 05:25 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me thinks OP has no real reason to believe incest is okay he just wanted to start a really controversial thread that would get a lot of reply's like that other incest thread that was started like a month ago and got hundreds of replies.
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if everyone minded their own business there would be no controversy /thread
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: Maurer]
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Chimpanzee's also murder the son's of other male chimpanzee's for example, just because they feel like it. We do not. They are incapable of planning for the future, we are dozens on times more capable of it than them. Males and females in our society, ALSO are sexually aroused by children, by violence, by other species of animals, by elderly infertile people, by various objects(not found in nature, doorknobs is the best example), and not to mention first and foremost, the foresight to practice contraception, which is no where close to being found in the animal kingdom.
More falsehoods! There are species of animals that can actually regulate how many, if any at all, young they produce as a result of mating based on available food supplies. These animals are actually far more advanced in the practice of contraception than we are!
You really shouldn't make absolutist statements when you have no idea what you're talking about.
Well he uses big words to back it up so it's all good.
I would love to see a link to what credible source would say animals are more advanced at NOT having children than those who use 99.99% effective birth control. This is fucking great.
http://www.livescience.com/animals/male-pipefish-abort-pregnancy-100317.html http://news.discovery.com/animals/lizards-control-the-gender-of-their-offspring.html
This is just what two minutes of google provides. When I made the post I was refering to some documentary I'd watched about a fox or weasel or something that could actually choose the number of offspring it would have based on how much food was around, but I can't remember the name of it or which documentary it was in.
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Shrooms make you gay and want to fuck your immediate family.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: dusk]
#12662580 - 05/31/10 06:48 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: DR. PRIME]
#12662587 - 05/31/10 06:49 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ahahahaha shrooms do not make u gay but strengthen family relationships
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: dusk]
#12662613 - 05/31/10 06:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Since we are all being so open....
I drank piss once. Then twice because I thought mine would taste better.
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I also drank piss once its salty and refreshing on a cold winter day long as you dont get it all over your face.
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drunkenlawngnome said: 99% of incest is sexual abuse on a child.
I was going to say that, I just didn't know if it was a fact or not. I do think thought that 99% of child abuse stemmed from incest. Is this a fact or not?
I said 99% of incest is child abuse. Not 99% of child abuse is incest.
However, most cases of child abuse are comitted within the family. I believe its normally committed most by uncle, grandfather, then father.
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Re: Incest is not wrong. [Re: dr_gonz]
#12755223 - 06/16/10 09:42 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bad Sunday School memories
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