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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Evolution is seen in all animals, even down to bacteria, in every part of Earth. It is real. And so are you.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Evolution is seen in all animals, even down to bacteria, in every part of Earth. It is real. And so are you.


Me evolve from existense of no purpose.
Pardon my notion, incase it sounds mean (it all points to the long dead professor)
Me just curious in terms of different point of view from thy fellow here.

EVOLUTION: Survival of the fittess
The power of natural selection
me heard that bacteria evolves in a catholic school.
Anyway are this garbage men a product of evolution(biology)?
Or a product of grand design(physics)?


WHY DON’T VULTURES GET SICK WHEN EATING DEAD THINGS?
able to eat carrion and contaminated meat due to specialized digestive enzymes and bacteria in their systems. These enzymes destroy hog cholera, rabies, and other contagious diseases in their digestive system that would be spread if another animal ate the contaminated carcass. For this reason, farmers will often drag an animal that died for an unknown reason for them to decontaminate and clean.

Even the minutest of viruses and bacteria were part of God’s creation! The enzyme that can kill the anthrax bacteria and rabies virus was provided by the Creator to the vultures, acting like garbage collectors in the jungle to prevent the spread of diseases. Nature has its own garbage, for example, as a way to keep things in order.

Isn’t that life with a purpose?

The wise God, the creator, most probably has meant man to be what he is: Homo sapiens. Wise Man. This is in contrast to just springing up from nothing or surviving dependent on fitness that evolution professes to teach.

Prov 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 01:32 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
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There is a decent picture being painted of our hominid ancestry via the fossil record and I believe DNA now as well. I don't think we're that special, I do think as a species we have a superiority complex though.


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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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pacmanbreed said:
LogicaL Chaos said:
Evolution is seen in all animals, even down to bacteria, in every part of Earth. It is real. And so are you.


Me evolve from existense of no purpose.
Pardon my notion, incase it sounds mean (it all points to the long dead professor)
Me just curious in terms of different point of view from thy fellow here.

EVOLUTION: Survival of the fittess
me heard that bacteria evolves.
Anyway are this garbage men a product of evolution(biology)?
Or a product of grand design(physics)?


WHY DON’T VULTURES GET SICK WHEN EATING DEAD THINGS?
able to eat carrion and contaminated meat due to specialized digestive enzymes and bacteria in their systems. These enzymes destroy hog cholera, rabies, and other contagious diseases in their digestive system that would be spread if another animal ate the contaminated carcass. For this reason, farmers will often drag an animal that died for an unknown reason for them to decontaminate and clean.

Even the minutest of viruses and bacteria were part of God’s creation! The enzyme that can kill the anthrax bacteria and rabies virus was provided by the Creator to the vultures, acting like garbage collectors in the jungle to prevent the spread of diseases. Nature has its own garbage, for example, as a way to keep things in order.

Isn’t that life with a purpose?

The wise God, the creator, most probably has meant man to be what he is: Homo sapiens. Wise Man. This is in contrast to just springing up from nothing or surviving dependent on fitness that evolution professes to teach.

Prov 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Have you ever tried thinking g about that from the evolutionary perspective? That all of those vultures ancestors that didn't have the right enzymes and gut biome died out because they couldn't adapt to eating the foods available to them. The ones that survived and had those traits went on to make more vultures like that that.


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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Xerbia]
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I feel like the title and implied meaning on the article is different from what the conversation should be. The most important parts of the article asked questions. I don’t think it’s as much posited that evolution is wrong, as much as it’s being asked what’s wrong with it. There are holes to fill and that’s fine. That doesn’t disprove evolution though and I don’t remember that being claimed.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: larry.fisherman] * 2
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Thats because it has a clickbait title and premise.  It sells the idea that scientists are rebelling or against the idea in order to push its agenda.  It's typical of the news and general articles these days.


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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: TempestDnB]
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mndfreeze said:
Thats because it has a clickbait title and premise.  It sells the idea that scientists are rebelling or against the idea in order to push its agenda.  It's typical of the news and general articles these days.


Ma shit didnt have time to check that click bait yet. Will do, Getting curious of that personal agenda.:mad2:

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: TempestDnB]
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Me glad have tickled friends mind as youve ticked me mind brothers,

TempestDnB said:
Have you ever tried thinking g about that from the evolutionary perspective? That all of those vultures ancestors that didn't have the right enzymes and gut biome died out because they couldn't adapt to eating the foods available to them. The ones that survived and had those traits went on to make more vultures like that that.


did, as me one of those who dissmised the theory of grand good plan, that there is no HIGHEST. And clinged to the survival of the fittest.
the traits needed a nessecity to be consistent. For biological existense cannot halt/pause and not Die,
a decay unless frozen is innevietable. So bacteria enzyme needed consistency. They might evolve based on the environment but not a total extinction of a species alike.


XLCaps said:
There are holes to fill and that’s fine. That doesn’t disprove evolution though and I don’t remember that being claimed.


:thumbup: this opened up to me a theory of grand DESIGN. A  reason we discovered DNA to search further and not just cling to a single Theory.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 11:33 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Me glad have tickled friends mind as youve ticked me mind brothers,

TempestDnB said:
Have you ever tried thinking g about that from the evolutionary perspective? That all of those vultures ancestors that didn't have the right enzymes and gut biome died out because they couldn't adapt to eating the foods available to them. The ones that survived and had those traits went on to make more vultures like that that.


did, as me one of those who dissmised the theory of grand good plan, that there is no HIGHEST. And clinged to the survival of the fittest.
the traits needed a nessecity to be consistent. For biological existense cannot halt/pause and not Die,
a decay unless frozen is innevietable. So bacteria enzyme needed consistency. They might evolve based on the environment but not a total extinction of a species alike.


XLCaps said:
There are holes to fill and that’s fine. That doesn’t disprove evolution though and I don’t remember that being claimed.


:thumbup: this opened up to me a theory of grand DESIGN. A  reason we discovered DNA to search further and not just cling to a single Theory.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 11:34 AM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Xerbia] * 2
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Xerbia said:
Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas.


Millennia after some of the most popular religions put forth their theories on how nature came about...
Hundreds of years after the first enlightened scientists clashed with religious dogma and superstition...
Decades after intelligent design was first put forth...
...that article is about as 'enlightening' as a random tabloid from July 1986 used to wrap fish & chips. It has several logical flaws, provides no actual insight into any in-depth debate on the issue, draws on a small handful of quotes that are provided with little to no context, evidently cherry-picks its evidence and like mentioned by Koods does not put forth any alternative, nor even a thorough critique of the vast number of mechanisms and theories that together make up our concept of 'evolution'. In short, that article is a waste of digital space. Enlightening my ass.

Don't get me wrong, as an academic, I'm very much open to other points of view, and I'm also fairly aware of the fact that several mechanisms that constitute evolution are difficult or impossible to support with evidence. I'm also aware that despite all we know, there are still missing pieces to the puzzle. Furthermore, I know perfectly well that science and religion do not need to be at odds with each other and that a sizable minority of the scientific community has religious views that seem to be at odds with the tenets of evolution theory. But that linked article adds absolutely ZERO to the debate - not even in terms of 'enlightening' relatively uninformed or uneducated individuals, who by and large are perfectly aware of the fact that there are conflicting views on how nature has come to be.

There are only two credible reasons why the referred article was written:
1. It was written by someone who gets a kick out of seeing their name at the top of a piece of text on the internet.
2. It was written out of the deep desire to construct an image of science as a uniform, homogeneous power block that needs to be opposed in order to protect mankind from some sort of harm.
Out of the two, I can only have some sympathy for #1, as some people just happen to need their 15 minutes of fame and the internet is after all a fine way to make that happen at relatively low cost to society. Reason #2 is of course based on a fundamentally flawed concept of science and its relation to society, which is a problem that virtually all authors of these 'anti-science' articles suffer from.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koraks] * 2
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koraks said:
2. It was written out of the deep desire to construct an image of science as a uniform, homogeneous power block that needs to be opposed in order to protect mankind from some sort of harm.
Out of the two, I can only have some sympathy for #1, as some people just happen to need their 15 minutes of fame and the internet is after all a fine way to make that happen at relatively low cost to society. Reason #2 is of course based on a fundamentally flawed concept of science and its relation to society, which is a problem that virtually all authors of these 'anti-science' articles suffer from.


This one especially bugs me. I have plenty of qualms with certain "scientists" and "science institutions" and particular prevalent "scientific beliefs". There are plenty in our culture who treat "science" with a capital "S" and forget about the sociologic, economic, and political factors that play a role in shaping science culture. But what I don't get is people who aren't educated on a topic and have no real constructed dissent who want to grasp for reasons to distrust science as a whole. Natural selection, in it's most basic form, is a readily observable fact. It's something anyone can come to know for themselves. It is not a theory that is shrouded in language so dense that only the elites can be trusted to understand and work with it. It is not something to really be suspicious of and at this point it's almost as much a part of daily life as gravity. It's the reason Amazon stocks are soaring and brick and mortar stores are disappearing. It's the reason we have to continuously create new flu vaccines. It's the reason some civilizations are lost to time while others thrive and continue to evolve.

It's an interesting phenomena that distrust in contemporary culture extends into readily observable truths. That such an article would stimulate excitement in readers despite being entirely void of interesting counterarguments. We live in a far from perfect world but many good people with good intentions on the path for truth have contributed to our progress. Attacking Darwin as if he was a coal industry lobbyist seems like misplaced anger to me. Our understanding of evolution has come a long way since his time, but evidence is continuously working towards it, not against it. Inabilities to approximate early life conditions in a laboratory are hardly surprising and should not be jumped at as evidence for intelligent design. Even if we were placed here by aliens or some panspermia event doesn't change the fact that everything that has happened since is evolution. And that those "intelligent beings" are also products of evolution. Even if they came from different planets. It doesn't change anything about general evolutionary principles.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: TempestDnB]
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XLCaps said:
There are holes to fill and that’s fine


Missing links & holes
Carbon dating limit
needed consistency for some enzyme interms of decay.
Huge gene pool difference.
Cro-Magnon(modern human) + Neanderthals(chimps)


TempestDnB said:
There is a decent picture being painted of our hominid ancestry via the fossil record and I believe DNA now as well.


Fossil / carbon dating not full reliable.
In terms of DNA: Cro-Magnon + Neanderthals = 99.5%
Despite that huge similarity.
Cro-Magnon(modern human) & Neanderthals(chimps) Didnt Had a Wild sex. Despite semi naked, bein in the same geographic location.
Me love ma monkey when she pats me, so aint gonna abuse her.

TempestDnB said:
I don't think we're that special, I do think as a species we have a superiority complex though.


Thanks for mentioning. Me always keeps this in check, To always stick those feet always on the dust.
-Romans, 12:3 - not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.
Nothing but a mere homo to care for THY GREAT Creations.

Truly thank HIGHEST for protecting ancient sciptures to this date(eg dead sea scrolls) for that GRAND DESIGN AND PLAN.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 05:09 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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pacmanbreed said:
Cro-Magnon(modern human) & Neanderthals(chimps) Didnt Had a Wild sex. Despite semi naked, bein in the same geographic location.


Recent research shows that a surprising number of genes in modern man are in fact inherited from Neanderthals, illustrating that breeding did take place - and not as in isolated incident, but structurally.

JacksonMetaller said:
Attacking Darwin as if he was a coal industry lobbyist seems like misplaced anger to me.


I'm taking just this snippet from your post, which I can certainly get behind. In the quoted text, I think you offer the main explanation for the anti-science lobby: an inability or unwillingness to understand how science and the scientific community work, resulting in a lack of insight, which apparently invokes fear in some people. Fundamentally it just seems another rendition of the old 'fear of the unknown' trait that is inherent to our species - and which has served quite a useful role from an evolutionary perspective...

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
pacmanbreed said:
Cro-Magnon(modern human) & Neanderthals(chimps) Didnt Had a Wild sex. Despite semi naked, bein in the same geographic location.


Recent research shows that a surprising number of genes in modern man are in fact inherited from Neanderthals, illustrating that breeding did take place - and not as in isolated incident, but structurally.


this needs an update then: 2006 love story :stoned:

Further than 2006 love story.
I CORINTHIANS 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

Me finds science in unity.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 12:35 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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If you want to criticize science in a credible manner, you'll have to do your homework.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature26151

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed] * 2
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pacmanbreed said:
While all you think about that check this
Top 25 crimes of the century.
The Fake Ape-Man 1912

Aint that.:tongue2: fishy?



Sure is, but fake fossils/taxadermic items that might point towards a perceived mythological concept are found throughout history. Same has happened with ice men, mermaids, yetis and unicorns. This is done so that the manufacturer of the body or artifact can sell their stuff.  There was a shrunken head shortage in the 1800's when European demand for third world war trophies (heads) was at it's highest, tribes just started ditching centuries of tribal tradition of using the heads of male war enemies, and instead started using any head they could get their hands on, whether from graves, female tribe members, kids, monkeys etc.

Point being, the sale of fake artifacts/fossils/etc. does not disprove anything, nor does it point towards a conspiracy to prove something that isn't true among those serious about it. Bringing up the fishy fake ape man from the turn of the century as a point against the theory of evolution as a whole is an argument from fallacy.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: koraks]
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koraks said:
If you want to criticize science in a credible manner, you'll have to do your homework.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature26151


Thanks for the link,

For i love em both Bible, science me as you Do. What me like respectfully is ask your point of views..

So as a present-day human which are your descendants? Neanderthal or Cro-Magnon?

still No steamy Hot love sexual gentic exchange..
-Although four of the Neanderthals studied here post-date the putative arrival of early modern humans into Europe, we do not detect any recent gene flow from early modern humans in their ancestry.
Despite 99.5% Genes, if only Neanderthals are pretty sexy hot ladies

And if we choose to be Neanderthal its aint 2% difference no more, but around 5% which ive suspected.
-contamination of Neanderthal skeletal remains by large amounts of microbial and present-day human DNA


If we choose Cro-Magnons: we are all winners :dancer:
Scriptures + Science :bow2:
I CORINTHIANS 15:39
All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
THY FATHER will be very happy when Present human wont abused their cousins for gene exchanges


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Obvious homework For those reading pleasures. Might be help for others.

Missing links & holes

Carbon dating limit

Cro-Magnon(early modern human) + Neanderthals(chimps) NON SEXUAL CONTENT

Huge gene pool difference.

needed consistency for some enzyme interms of decay.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/03/18 04:35 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Cro-magnons are modern humans.


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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
pacmanbreed said:
While all you think about that check this
Top 25 crimes of the century.
The Fake Ape-Man 1912

Aint that.:tongue2: fishy?



Point being, the sale of fake artifacts/fossils/etc. does not disprove anything, nor does it point towards a conspiracy to prove something that isn't true among those serious about it. Bringing up the fishy fake ape man from the turn of the century as a point against the theory of evolution as a whole is an argument from fallacy.



I highly appreciate your points.
Ive removed it from the HOMEWORK list
was sorry. Didnt mean it to sound fallacy.
But rather aim to boost questioning minds based on the facts list ive provided on top.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Are you friends with lessismore?


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