PanCog said:

How is the person who pays increasingly higher taxes the harder and longer he works liberating? Why withhold the reward of hard work?

While it may not be true for everyone receiving benefits, one person I know has so much adopted the role of being mentally disabled that he seems to have forgotten that when he first started getting the checks it was only a fraud perpetrated to live the easy life (I knew him before that time and during the sign up process.) The fear of loosing the money seems to have given him motivation to become professionally crazy, and I would say he succeeded as he no longer drops the act after leaving his evaluations. I think the system that rewards dependent behavior and punishes those that want to be independent, or who want a higher quality of life is damaging to our species as a whole, as these welfare scams (which morph into actual mental disabilities) are often taught to children, who are also sometimes only valued as an additional source of  welfare income. But you seem to think that teaching children any other philosophy will make them stupid.
Over 11% of New York city residents claim to be disabled, this doesn't include all of the other welfare benefits, is that the future you want?  Or is it that you plan on joining the ranks of the unemployable? It is often claimed that slavery was liberating for the slave masters, this seems to be your argument. Do you really think people are free and pursuing their happiness by being forced to feed and clean up after you?

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qman said:

So none of the leaders of the DSA posted that "communism is good" in the last few days? 

I'm just asking the question because your post made zero sense to me.

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PanCog said:

I am a slightly familiar with Scandinavian politics. I do believe that they are the first countries in the world that will abolish tobacco use in their countries, even ahead of the U.N. schedule. The Democratic Socialists (capitalists who believe in a strong welfare state) are perhaps even more insidious than overt Tyranny, there is still the strong centralized power of a tyrant but it lacks the violence that lets you know you are being controlled by force. The system, engineers consent and creates uniformity, the masses of people are sleepwalking and have no need for their brains. What happens to those that do not like what is happening to their rights and speak up about it? What happens to those that don't want their children to be subjected to the Socialist Democratic Conformist-Groupthink Schools? Individualism and Independence (American Values) are disapproved of as they threaten the system that everyone is feeding on. It is a Society that decides what is best for you and makes you afraid to say how you really feel. Continued nonconformity will lead to forced control.
Here is an example of one family that just wants the government to leave them in peace. Of course that isn't happening.
https://hslda.org/content/hs/international/Sweden/201706130.asp

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Kryptos said:

qman said:

So none of the leaders of the DSA posted that "communism is good" in the last few days? 

I'm just asking the question because your post made zero sense to me.

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It doesn't matter if any of them posted. It really doesn't. Thing is, Milo the Conservative "Think Tank" (thick fucking armor on that tank, buddy), regularly calls for people to be shot, or hung, or stabbed, and its all in jest. It's all a joke. Right? That's why he's not in jail?

So, I say we should exercise our second amendment rights. Shoot some fucking MAGAs. Anyone who's an old white straight male, let's go to fucking WAR. Arm up, execute them in the streets! Let's water the tree of Liberty, Motherfuckers.

See, We can make violent jokes too. Just like Milo. Just like Spence the Nazi. Why are you getting so butthurt about a few stoned college students joking around? Grow up, loser. It's called TROLLING!

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The Ecstatic said:

What leadership?
What recent posts?

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The Ecstatic said:

Its also important to note that many people who call themselves Democratic Socialists are in reality just Social Democrats (capitalists who believe in a strong welfare state).

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

What leadership?
What recent posts?

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Memory issues?  "Communism is good".

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PanCog said:

I do not understand the confusing thought you attribute to me.

Feed and clean up after you, or as you say

The Ecstatic said:

Its also important to note that many people who call themselves Democratic Socialists are in reality just Social Democrats (capitalists who believe in a strong welfare state).

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Welfare is what you are calling for. Welfare that is based of the theft of labor and money from those that work as opposed to voluntary charity. A short way of saying that is you find it liberating to receive food and have your garbage taking at the expense of workers. You seem to think that workers have no right to their own labor.

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PanCog said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Well what do you know!  Education works, without making it illegal!!!

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LOL, you think it is a good thing to change people's behavior using tax money. So much for trusting people to live a manipulation free life. The beginning of the campaign starts with increasing taxes to make it unaffordable, along with propaganda campaigns spreading antisocial ideas about smokers. On July 1st they just raised the tax on vaping liquid again, taxes will keep being raised over and over again. The taxes targeting certain groups are not a sign of a society that treats everyone with equal respect.

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PanCog said:

Which means that you do not believe in private property, parental rights over children or even the ownership of one's right to choose their job. Am I right about that?
You believe in the collective, not in the individual?

Edit: This was in response to The Ecstatic

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PanCog said:

This explains why getting something for "free" has nothing to do with freedom. People are forced to work, it isn't truly free.

The main problem I have with the collective is the forced nature of it. Why insist that everyone must be subjected, why not be happy in your communes? Making life altering decisions and limiting the freedom of people who are different from you is the error I see.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

What makes you think communists have no right to choose their job?  Jobs go to the most qualified people, just as they do under capitalism.  You are clueless.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

No one is "forced" to work.  If you don't work, you don't get things.  Just like it is under capitalism.

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PanCog said:

The schools are where children are tested, aptitude tests, personality tests, physical fitness tests, etc. These are used to steer that child into vocational work that the state found suitable for them.

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