Auto-SummaryAssad is considered worse than Saudi Arabia's King due to his brutal tactics against protesters, such as killing 1200 during initial protests and intentionally allowing Al-Qaeda and ISIS to grow. The US also played a role in the rise of ISIS in Syria. Assad is described as the worst tyrant of the 21st century, with no loyalty to his people and a history of slaughtering civilians and empowering terrorists.
triphead9428 said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So is Assad worse than the King of Saudi Arabia (for example)? I don't recall anyone calling him an angel.
I'm sure there are greatly varying opinions on him from inside his own country, especially since his country is in a civil war. Are you on his side, or the other side? There are greatly varying opinions of Trump here in the US. Some people worship the man, others think he's a heartless buffoon.
Who's right? 
Yes, he is a lot worse than the king of Saudi Arabia.
You're joking, right? Or do you not knowSaudi Arabia very well?
triphead9428 said: There were protests in Saudi Arabia during the Arab Spring, and the government responded by basically paying people to stop protesting, Assad's response was to shoot everyone.
Both countries killed good number of protesters. Protesters in Syria were more violent, burning down buildings, and and things quickly got out of control. Once the protests turned into a civil war, a lot more people died in Syria.
triphead9428 said: Syria's brutality easily surpassed everyone though by killing 1200 protesters before the Syrian people finally took up arms and decided to kick Assad out. The initial protests weren't even about kicking him out of power, they were just asking for reforms but Assad responded so harshly that the people realized he was a tyrant that needed to be forced out of power.
Actually, the protests were triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the Syrian government for writing in graffiti, "The people want the fall of the government", in the city of Daraa (look it up). The problem is, those people were the minority. It was a very different dynamic in Syria. Again, I'm not saying Assad behavior was good, but the situation wasn't the same as other countries.
triphead9428 said: After the war began, Assad intentionally allowed Al-Qaeda and ISIS to get out of control by almost never attacking them. Even though ISIS in 2014-2015 had grown to be almost as much of a threat as the other rebel groups were, only 5% of Assad's military operations were directed at fighting ISIS.
That's not all though. In 2011, Al-Qaeda had almost been completely defeated, Osama Bin Laden was dead and the number of operatives working for Al-Qaeda had shrunk to 1,000. In 2012 though, literally in less than a year, the number of operatives in Al-Qaeda had jumped all the way up to 15,000-20,000, nearly all of whom were operating in Syria. The reason why Al-Qaeda had gained members so quickly was because Assad released 13,000 of the most dangerous and violent ex Al-Qaeda members he had previously imprisoned. He tried to pass it off as a humanitarian thing but in reality, he had unleashed a plague of terrorism on Syria as all those members immediately joined Al-Qaeda and later ISIS when they rose up to prominence over Al-Qaeda.
The US had a significant role in the rise of ISIS in Syria. Perhaps not intentionally, but we were definitely a factor. Frontline did a very good documentary on this - I was unable to find a link to it just now, but I'll keep looking if you're genuinely interested in spending an hour to watch it.
triphead9428 said: Those terrorists then started slaughtering Alawite civilians (Alawites are the ethnic group that Assad belongs to) by the tens of thousands in 2012 and 2013, therefore, legitimizing Assad's claim that he was fighting terrorists and that Syria would just become overrun by terrorists if the rebels or the west disposed of him. It was a ruthless but brilliant strategy that worked. There were so many terrorists in Syria that getting rid of the Assad regime had already become impractical by 2013.
Interesting story, but there's no way I'm buying it. You're saying Assad WANTED a huge civil war in his own country? And that it worked??? No.
triphead9428 said: And this is a huge part of why Assad is absolutely evil. Not only has he directly slaughtered many thousands of his own people in order to stay in power, but he intentionally empowered terrorist organizations to burn his country to the ground for him. No legitimate leader would ever behave like that. I don't even think Saddam Hussein would've done something like that and he was very ruthless. But Saddam Hussein at least genuinely believed that most of his people loved him, and despite his ruthlessness, I do think he still felt a lot of loyalty towards his country and his people. Assad has no loyalty to anyone but himself, he knows his people hate him and he stayed in power anyway. You said no one claims he is an angel, but that's an understatement. Assad has absolutely no good intentions whatsoever, besides terrorists and drug cartels, he's the worst tyrant that the 21st century has seen so far.
C'mon, really? I don't buy it at all. That defies every ounce of common sense in me, and certainly isn't the only story out there. 
Edit: I can't believe I forgot to mention what Saudi Arabia is doing to Yemen. Let me know if you want me to fill you in.
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (04/15/18 04:10 AM)
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