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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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:bathtub40lol:

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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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I'm had 2 month of therapy  2 more week that should clear for clear by MD.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Herbologist]
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Herbologist said:
Has Assad denied the attacks himself? Im sure he probably has but I haven't seen it anywhere




(you have to click "Watch on YouTube")


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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By the way, the video above provides a very good non-US centric perspective.  You can choose whether to believe him or not, but his logic appears sound.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Enlil said:
164 ounces of sarin killed 12 people in the Tokyo subway attacks.  To make that sarin, Aum Shinrikyo is said to have spent about $30 million.

Also this:

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2013-10-10/no-you-can-t-make-sarin-in-your-kitchen


Is $30 million not within possibility considering the Syrian government? I can't seem to find much on the exact process he used, likely for obvious reasons, but if someone were to cut some corners in the safety department, you could knock the price down. Either way, my point, and the article you linked actually supports my point, despite the title (read the last paragraph) is that it is very much possible to make sarin with basic skills and readily available materials. I did not say it would be effective, reliable, or a particularly comfortable undertaking for even trained personnel in a well funded lab, but then again I assume you've heard of the radioactive boy scout?

I also fail to see how an opinion column's author is more credible than me, I can't seem to find credentials that show he has any chemical expertise. I see a lot of military credentials, and I see a lot of military related consulting and sales, and he was even once a secret service agent, but I see nothing that gives his claim of: "This tells me that a kitchen-size micro-sarin production line, even if it were safely run, could never produce the quantity of sarin used in the Syria attacks" any validity.

I do see some flawed assumptions in that very statement though: No kitchen chemist would set up a "production line", just like I would never do such idiocy in my lab. A production line is for when you have permanent space dedicated to this. A kitchen chemist, or even a lab chemist does a step, tears it down, and sets up the next step. Another assumption, the shelf life he mentioned earlier, is easily countered by storing precursors separately. A recently written NYT article confirms this possibility, but *that* article also has some glaring chemical/biological errors (Sarin works the literal opposite way than described-it stops your muscles from relaxing, not contracting), but there is more supporting evidence, and it kind of makes sense, if you have the final ether synthesis occur in the weapon.

Still think it was a US gas attack, which gave the US an excuse to MOAB somewhere else, and now we just need to justify nukes.

Edited by Kryptos (04/13/17 09:54 PM)

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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Kryptos]
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Of course the government could do it.  That's not the argument.  The argument is that the rebels made the sarin.  My argument is that this is very unlikely.

As to your credibility, you have zero...zilch.  Your opinion online means absolutely nothing.  We don't know even your name.  Whatever problems that article may have, at least we know the guy's name and that he worked in the U.S. Army Chemical Corps.  That's way more than we will ever know about you.

None of us have any credibility to render expert opinions on this site.  That's why it's so important to cite sources.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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I agree that the rebels making their own sarin is unlikely. Possible, but unlikely. Again, I believe it was US gas. My argument was solely that it was *possible*.

I guess I do have no online credibility. Point taken. I would offer to PM you my linkedin for comparison, but it's not something I'd post on a forum. Lotta people with too much time and not enough awareness that "hilarious pranks" are usually "career disasters" that come with "loss of opportunity" and maybe even "loss of employment".

I could pull a bunch of old military and academic documents, and put together a referenced and well documented synthesis. I could give references on how to carry out such procedures, and how to find materials. However, this would be several hours of work at minimum, and I suspect that it would not demonstrate any credibility on my part, as any idiot with two brain cells and a library card (and considerably more than several hours of free time) can pull papers and cross reference them with chemical textbooks. It's literally like a word hunt.

Just out of curiosity, how illegal would it be to make sarin? Say I make some, take a video, and put it up on youtube, including the last few minutes of the video when I toss it into a bicarb solution to neutralize? I know it's against international treaty, but is it against US law?

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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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THw pARATHION IS LIKE SARIN.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parathion#Proposals_to_ban

Maybe  make a psueo nerve agent, in avaaible.  same effect an sarin, it absrbed through skin.  Enlil, so that is a REAL CONSPIRACY.  :smug:


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: starfire_xes]
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The video of the injured being treated was not consistent with decontamination SOP for a nerve agent, and the injured were also not consistent in effects. The video was consistent with decon for WP contamination. Sadly once the precursors are obtained, the CW's are about on par with a RP/iodine hot meth cook in difficulty, though a hell of a lot less forgiving of mistakes. my $0.02


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
Of course the government could do it.  That's not the argument.  The argument is that the rebels made the sarin.  My argument is that this is very unlikely.

As to your credibility, you have zero...zilch.  Your opinion online means absolutely nothing.  We don't know even your name.  Whatever problems that article may have, at least we know the guy's name and that he worked in the U.S. Army Chemical Corps.  That's way more than we will ever know about you.

None of us have any credibility to render expert opinions on this site.  That's why it's so important to cite sources.



A cult of crazy japanese recluses managed to fabricate signifigant quantities of it in 1995. So sarin gas is not beyond the reach of a dedicated group of amatuers. Not to mention there wouldve been zero tactical advantage to gassing ISIS this late in the game. Staging a flase flag however would be very lucrative to ISIS, and theres a huge body of evidence suggesting this was the case. The whitehats involvememt in the fake photo ops of the bombings is evidence enough that the official narrative is bullshit.

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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enkai]
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Here is an interesting (and somewhat unexpected) article from Bloomberg:

Russia Says Evidence Growing Syria Chemical Attack Was Staged

I'll be the first to admit this story doesn't prove a thing about the attack, but I found it interesting that Bloomberg is casting doubt on the official story.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enkai]
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Enkai said:
A cult of crazy japanese recluses managed to fabricate signifigant quantities of it in 1995. So sarin gas is not beyond the reach of a dedicated group of amatuers.


That cult spend $30 million making that sarin.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That cult spend $30 million making that sarin.


Chump change for ISIS:

List of World's Richest Terror Networks Revealed
Quote:
The IS, which is currently terrorising Iraq and Syria seizing key oil fields and refineries to boost their capabilities, has an estimated net worth of $2 billion.

According to the US Treasury's recent estimates, the Iraqi group manages to earn about $1 million a day by selling crude oil



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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Maybe, but they still need to build a facility and staff it without anyone noticing while fighting a war.  I seriously doubt they could do that.  Also, if they had Sarin, why have there never been any reports of them using it?  They have proven that they aren't afraid to use other chemical agents they have.


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Maybe, but they still need to build a facility and staff it without anyone noticing while fighting a war.  I seriously doubt they could do that.


I don't know why you doubt it.  It's not like they'd post a large sign on the roof that says "Chemical Warehouse".  :shrug:

Enlil said:
Also, if they had Sarin, why have there never been any reports of them using it?  They have proven that they aren't afraid to use other chemical agents they have.


That's a fair point, but if Assad had Sarin, why did he wait until he was on the offensive to finally use it?  He didn't need it at that point and had NOTHING to gain.  In response to your earlier post, I'm not convinced he used chemical weapons in 2013.  We lied about WMD before, so there's no reason to believe we didn't lie about them again.

I'm hoping someone presents some evidence on this soon...


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Your logic is starting to sound pretty :tinfoil:


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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So we didn't lie about WMD?  That's :tinfoil:?



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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The whole "The U.S. lied in the past, so they probably lied now" is squarely in the realm of :tinfoil:


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
The whole "The U.S. lied in the past, so they probably lied now" is squarely in the realm of :tinfoil:


Yeah and forget about German and U.K. Intelligence too, they are all just liars...


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Re: Putin exposing chemical attack in Syria as a FALSE FLAG OPERATION TO BLAME ASSAD AND START WAR [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
The whole "The U.S. lied in the past, so they probably lied now" is squarely in the realm of :tinfoil:


No, it's more like "The U.S. lied in the past to meet our objectives, so it's certainly possible they're lying again now to meet our objectives."

I ask myself:

Given the US has made it very clear they don't want Assad to retain power; what can we do to get the American people to side with religious extremists rather than Assad?

Does the US or Syria have more to gain from a chemical attack they blame on the other side?

Are chemical weapons more likely to be used by the side that's about to win, or by the side that's about to lose?

If the US believes they'll be able to prove their case, should they do that first, or should they attack now before the evidence is known?


Until there's evidence, I'm looking at the answers to the above to help me make an interim decision.  Until there's evidence, you're giving your country the benefit of the doubt (which is very noble), even though it makes little logical sense as far as I can tell.

I'm not claiming to know the truth; I'm just saying that the US has a LOT to gain by lying; Assad has nothing to gain.


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