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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: arabmobster]
    #1450611 - 04/11/03 08:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i hope that we dont attack syria, but dont fool yourself we do. we'll wipe them off the map just like we're doing with ol saddam.

no one could hope to withstand the might of the american war machine. i think WE killed more of our own soldiers than the iraqis, and the causalty rate is probably 1:1000, in america's favor.

like i said. dont fool yourself.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: ]
    #1450630 - 04/11/03 08:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

yes, but do not forget. allah is with them.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: ]
    #1450639 - 04/11/03 08:33 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Since when has that mattered?


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Evolving]
    #1450652 - 04/11/03 08:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

better hope allah has a couple hundred thousand well armed mechanized infantry with air support and artillery if he's gonna do em any good, haha.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: ]
    #1450654 - 04/11/03 08:45 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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no one could hope to withstand the might of the american war machine. i think WE killed more of our own soldiers than the iraqis, and the causalty rate is probably 1:1000, in america's favor.




Im not fooling myself; but Hitler's war machine was equally invincible in 1941.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450669 - 04/11/03 08:52 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

We are at the cutting edge of EMP weapons and that is the only way I see to beat us at this point.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: arabmobster]
    #1450672 - 04/11/03 08:54 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

*smacks arabmobster with his shoe*


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450676 - 04/11/03 08:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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We are at the cutting edge of EMP weapons and that is the only way I see to beat us at this point.




No such weapons have as yet been deployed, AFAIK. And a few good old-fashioned low-tech nukes can work wonders, too. I hope "Dobby" Putin has enough sense to use them before the NMD is operational.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450701 - 04/11/03 09:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

E-bombs are right around the corner. And those are the ones that can be used tacticly were our troops and equipment is near by. Raw EMP is available now. Those can be used against a nuke missile and would be even if it meant darkening NYC. Of course a mini nuke hand carried could get through but that would not win a war.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450711 - 04/11/03 09:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i just came up with a conspiracy theory type thing.

during the cold war, both the americans and the soviets had spies operating in all of their enemy's major cities with nuclear weapons. just living there with a nuke in their apartment, blending in, waiting in case they were to strike... some of these networks are still maintained.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: ]
    #1450738 - 04/11/03 09:18 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think that is a conspiracy. I thought there were suitcase nukes missing from the Russian arsenal.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450747 - 04/11/03 09:22 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I remember when they used to test the little suitcase emps at the the base I lived on.  People would have to spend weeks shuffling paperwork after returning to their vehicle that no longer ran because it had some fancy smancy onboard computer that had been knocked out :smile:  I got reimbursed for a radar detector that got "jammed".

I hope that more money is invested in this type of warfare..  I find it interesting that the UK was dropping cement bombs.. Id even be happier with that.  but this damn depleted uranium shit really pisses me the fuck off.  Since it costs so much to properly dispose of it.. lets make it into weaponry and leave it in our enemy lands.. great idea.

Anyway, I personally vote Syria... but Ive been giving some thought to Palestine lately.  Its really hot for syria right now, in more ways then one... so we may not see it until fall.  Its just really hard to say, because it would be smart for them to go right on in, plus we arent really fighting any groundwar, so the heat isnt that big of an issue and we are there anyway.  Not to mention the fact that they just sent the moab over to the persian gulf.  It all really depends on what the motives of this administration truly are.  I know Israel is gunning for Hezbollah and there is a pretty interesting Israel/ 9-11 link.

Also, why is pakistan that crazy:
http://www.rense.com/general37/islamnuke.htm  -- Israel or pakistan = bigger ally?


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450749 - 04/11/03 09:23 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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. And a few good old-fashioned low-tech nukes can work wonders, too. I hope "Dobby" Putin has enough sense to use them before the NMD is operational.



So you think suicide is the proper goal for Russia? Putin is a lot more intelligent than that.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #1450758 - 04/11/03 09:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

They should drop the MOAB in an open unmaned area just to get it on TV so I can see it. I liked the cement bombs too. A plane is just a broke with a hole through it as it is blown up.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450763 - 04/11/03 09:27 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Hitler could have won the war, but he was a fool.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #1450779 - 04/11/03 09:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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E-bombs are right around the corner. And those are the ones that can be used tacticly were our troops and equipment is near by. Raw EMP is available now. Those can be used against a nuke missile and would be even if it meant darkening NYC. Of course a mini nuke hand carried could get through but that would not win a war.




Two things are certain: a) no such weapon exists; and b) the other nuclear powers dont believe that one is in the offing. If a) were false and there was such a thing, then the Shrub would have already launched a massive preemptive strike against the Russians (or at least issued an ultimatum). OTOH, if the Russians believed that we were on the brink of acquiring a true anti-missile defense (of whatever kind), then they would launch a preemptive strike against Amerikkka before it could be implemented (unless their as stupid as they appear to be).

Finally, a nuke deployed from a ballistic missile is grounded against EMPs, since the explosions themselves generate EMPs and several nukes must be allowed to explode near each other simultaneously.



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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450798 - 04/11/03 09:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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OTOH, if the Russians believed that we were on the brink of acquiring a true anti-missile defense (of whatever kind), then they would launch a preemptive strike against Amerikkka before it could be implemented (unless their as stupid as they appear to be).



THAT would be suicide. A preemptive strike against the U.S. would result in the obliteration of Russia. The U.S. has nuclear armed submarines and aircraft ready to strike at anytime. Ever heard of the concept of M.A.D.? It's a good thing you aren't in Putin's place, the world would be a lot more dangerous.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1450803 - 04/11/03 09:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

What is the range of the EMP from a nuke blast. They might be far enough apart to be ok. We are still working on grounding techniqs ourselvs.

The stealth bomber was being tested in the 50's wasn't it? I can't imagine what we may have now.


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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Evolving]
    #1450846 - 04/11/03 09:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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. And a few good old-fashioned low-tech nukes can work wonders, too. I hope "Dobby" Putin has enough sense to use them before the NMD is operational.



So you think suicide is the proper goal for Russia? Putin is a lot more intelligent than that.




If comitting suicide means stopping the Shrub, then its definitely the proper goal. The Russians face the same choice as someone who knows they will be killed anyway, but can opt to bring about their killers' death in the process.

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THAT would be suicide. A preemptive strike against the U.S. would result in the obliteration of Russia. The U.S. has nuclear armed submarines and aircraft ready to strike at anytime. Ever heard of the concept of M.A.D.? It's a good thing you aren't in Putin's place, the world would be a lot more dangerous.




It would also result in the obliteration of the US, who are the agressors in the MAD scenario. Unfortunately for the Russians, however, they have to shoot first.

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The stealth bomber was being tested in the 50's wasn't it? I can't imagine what we may have now.




The original stealth bomber was the Nazi Horten B220 (1944).




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Re: Syria or Iran? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1451011 - 04/11/03 10:55 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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If comitting suicide means stopping the Shrub, then its definitely the proper goal. The Russians face the same choice as someone who knows they will be killed anyway, but can opt to bring about their killers' death in the process.



How did you arrive at this conclusion? There is no reason for the U.S. to want to destroy Russia, not militarily nor economic. This idea is utter nonsense. I am glad Putin is in charge and not you.

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It would also result in the obliteration of the US, who are the agressors in the MAD scenario. Unfortunately for the Russians, however, they have to shoot first.



Okay, let me understand this. By your twisted lack of logic, a preemptive strike against the U.S. by the Russians would make the U.S. the agressors? This again, is utter nonsense.


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