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Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker?
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This is kind of an interesting story:

Kim Dotcom: "Let Me Assure You, The DNC Hack Wasn’t Even A Hack"
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On May 18, 2017, Kim Dotcom proposed that if Congress includes the Seth Rich investigation in their Russia probe, he would provide written testimony with evidence that Seth Rich was WikiLeaks' source.



Ordinarily, I wouldn't give this story much attention, because Kim Dotcom might just be trying to get attention for himself.  But here's what's interesting about this story:

Kim Dotcom said:
Special Counsel Mueller is not interested in my evidence. My lawyers wrote to him twice. He never replied.



Why wouldn't the DOJ be interested in this?  Is Kim just making the whole thing up?  :shrug:


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Because they know Russia was responsible.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: koods]
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But the DOJ hasn't been able to prove who released the emails to WikiLeaks.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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They know who hacked the servers. The identity of the courier is not that important. In addition to the forensic evidence they have from the hacks themselves, there is the fact that other  people knew about the hacking operation BEFORE it was discovered, including Donald trump who was told in March that Russians had hacked emails.  Christopher Steele also reported that his contacts had told him about the hacks in his dossier.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Is there any reason to assume Kim Dotcom would be involved/ have insider information? Without further corroboration, Occam's razor leads me to assume Dotcom is just making shit up.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
They know who hacked the servers. The identity of the courier is not that important.



They know one of the parties who hacked the DNC servers.  Which hacker (or leaker) gave the information to the courier is unknown.

koods said:
In addition to the forensic evidence they have from the hacks themselves, there is the fact that other  people knew about the hacking operation BEFORE it was discovered, including Donald trump who was told in March that Russians had hacked emails.  Christopher Steele also reported that his contacts had told him about the hacks in his dossier.



As I've said many times, it's not news that Russia spied on us.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Is there any reason to assume Kim Dotcom would be involved/ have insider information? Without further corroboration, Occam's razor leads me to assume Dotcom is just making shit up.



But that's kind of my point - there wasn't further corroboration by the DOJ.  Why not?


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Is the DOJ in the habit of publicly commenting on every published claim by uninvolved individuals?

I don't know too much about Kim Dotcom, but a quick glance at the personal section of his wiki reveals a fairly flamboyant personality. Vanity license plates (HACKER, MAFIA, and STONED), publicly announced his marriage on the anniversary of his police raid, changed his last name to Dotcom.

I'm not really concerned with the DNC hack or any Russian boogie man - but I just don't see any reason this guy has proof that no one wants to see. Why not just release the proof if the authorities are ignoring him?


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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They know who hacked it, the Russian group, and there's no evidence of another hack. Presumably Meuller knows this and likely has seen the direct forensic and surveillance evidence recorded by the dutch proving it. Why would he care what someone with literally no credibility has to say on the matter? I mean kim dotcom has less credibility than an unknown off the street, if you or I contacted Meuller and said, "Hey, I have evidence that so and so did the hacks" do you expect him to listen to us? I wouldn't, he probably has all kinds of random people offering what is tantamount to spam. Being famous doesn't make you more credible or worthy of listening to, especially if you're famous for being a pathological liar.

Now it could be that someone inside the DNC conspired with the Russians to hack it, then made a usb transferred copy, and subsequently released the emails so that they would lose the election. I mean we could entertain all sorts of crazy conspiracies with little logic behind them, maybe Hillary is Putin's handler and he's not in charge of Russia at all? I mean what kind of dots are you connecting that I'm not seeing here?

Why do you keep entertaining the possibility of another hacker obtaining the emails as well? That just seems odd to me, there's no reason to believe that be the case. It is as though someone burgled your home, stole your jewely and tv, they catch a burgaler with video evidence leaving your house with the jewelry but no surveillance of the TV so you say, "well, maybe someone unrelated entity also burgled me and stole the tv." Does that seem reasonable? Possible sure, many things are possible, but that's far enough out there that I can't understand why you would entertain it.

Lastly if kim has evidence and Meuller doesn't care to see it then why doesn't he just publish it himself? That alone should be enough to dismiss this as yet another pile of horse shit from dotcom, the dude's a tool.

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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: krypto2000]
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Wiki leaks is no longer about transparency. They used their resources to defeat Hillary Clinton. Assange has a personal vendetta, and he sold his credibility and reputation make it happen. They are intentionally muddying the waters to create confusion and feed conspiracy theories.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Why not just release the proof if the authorities are ignoring him?



Ya, that's a fair point.  That's why I asked "Is Kim just making the whole thing up?  :shrug:"

I just found it odd that the DOJ wasn't interested in what he had to say.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Why do you keep entertaining the possibility of another hacker obtaining the emails as well? That just seems odd to me, there's no reason to believe that be the case. It is as though someone burgled your home, stole your jewely and tv, they catch a burgaler with video evidence leaving your house with the jewelry but no surveillance of the TV so you say, "well, maybe someone unrelated entity also burgled me and stole the tv." Does that seem reasonable?



No that doesn't seem reasonable, but that's a bad analogy.  We know hackers exist all over the world, including the United States, and we know hackers are always trying to hack into whatever they can.  We're not monitoring the activity of every potential hacker in the world to see what they're up to, but the Dutch DID monitor the Russian University and caught them hacking the DNC server.

So a better analogy might be "If you carefully monitored one group of people and found they committed a crime, is it therefore reasonable to assume that other people you weren't monitoring didn't commit a similar crime?


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The DNC hacks spanned over a year. If Seth Rich was interested in exposing an unfair bias against Sanders, then why would he have waited until it was too late. In fact, you can apply that logic to whomever leaked the emails. If they were about transparency, then they would have been released while the info still had a chance to change the outcome. Clearly the hacks and leaks were intended to damage Clinton in the general election.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
The DNC hacks spanned over a year. If Seth Rich was interested in exposing an unfair bias against Sanders, then why would he have waited until it was too late.  In fact, you can apply that logic to whomever leaked the emails. If they were about transparency, then they would have been released while the info still had a chance to change the outcome. Clearly the hacks and leaks were intended to damage Clinton in the general election.



1.  We don't know when (or even if) Seth Rich got the emails, so we don't know whether or not he "waited" (assuming he got them at all)
2.  We don't know that Russia gave Wikileaks the DNC emails; Wikileaks claims it wasn't Russia


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Wiki leaks is no longer about transparency. They used their resources to defeat Hillary Clinton. Assange has a personal vendetta, and he sold his credibility and reputation make it happen. They are intentionally muddying the waters to create confusion and feed conspiracy theories.



"They're not supporting my theory, therefore they MUST be biased!"

That's now how WikiLeaks works, my friend.


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
krypto2000 said:
Why do you keep entertaining the possibility of another hacker obtaining the emails as well? That just seems odd to me, there's no reason to believe that be the case. It is as though someone burgled your home, stole your jewely and tv, they catch a burgaler with video evidence leaving your house with the jewelry but no surveillance of the TV so you say, "well, maybe someone unrelated entity also burgled me and stole the tv." Does that seem reasonable?



No that doesn't seem reasonable, but that's a bad analogy.  We know hackers exist all over the world, including the United States, and we know hackers are always trying to hack into whatever they can.  We're not monitoring the activity of every potential hacker in the world to see what they're up to, but the Dutch DID monitor the Russian University and caught them hacking the DNC server.

So a better analogy might be "If you carefully monitored one group of people and found they committed a crime, is it therefore reasonable to assume that other people you weren't monitoring didn't commit a similar crime?



The source of the hack was traced to a phishing attack which gained access into podestas email though, there was only one source found, and it was tied directly to cozybear. To expand it to the break in analogy it's as though you had a key hidden under your mat, it's missing, and later found in the jewelry guy's possession. If you had two keys missing, found a window also jimmied open, or something to that effect then it would be reasonable to start asking if there were multiple break ins and if someone else took the TV.

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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
The source of the hack was traced to a phishing attack which gained access into podestas email though, there was only one source found, and it was tied directly to cozybear. To expand it to the break in analogy it's as though you had a key hidden under your mat, it's missing, and later found in the jewelry guy's possession. If you had two keys missing, found a window also jimmied open, or something to that effect then it would be reasonable to start asking if there were multiple break ins and if someone else took the TV.



But that's NOT the only way the emails could have been hacked.  There might have been someone on the inside involved, for example.

Perhaps the more important point is this:  if someone provided more transparency to US voters, isn't that a good thing?


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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
krypto2000 said:
The source of the hack was traced to a phishing attack which gained access into podestas email though, there was only one source found, and it was tied directly to cozybear. To expand it to the break in analogy it's as though you had a key hidden under your mat, it's missing, and later found in the jewelry guy's possession. If you had two keys missing, found a window also jimmied open, or something to that effect then it would be reasonable to start asking if there were multiple break ins and if someone else took the TV.



But that's NOT the only way the emails could have been hacked.  There might have been someone on the inside involved, for example.

Perhaps the more important point is this:  if someone provided more transparency to US voters, isn't that a good thing?



I do think the DNC hacks were beneficial to you and I, even if it did lead Trump to being in power as a result. More transparency is good, period. However if it's only transparency on one side it might lead people to believe a skewed picture. I mean do you honestly think the DNC is any more or less shady than the RNC? I don't, I doubt you do either, but with only one side being released it certainly seems to me that many now do.

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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
krypto2000 said:
The source of the hack was traced to a phishing attack which gained access into podestas email though, there was only one source found, and it was tied directly to cozybear. To expand it to the break in analogy it's as though you had a key hidden under your mat, it's missing, and later found in the jewelry guy's possession. If you had two keys missing, found a window also jimmied open, or something to that effect then it would be reasonable to start asking if there were multiple break ins and if someone else took the TV.



But that's NOT the only way the emails could have been hacked.  There might have been someone on the inside involved, for example.

Perhaps the more important point is this:  if someone provided more transparency to US voters, isn't that a good thing?



And to the burglary analogy again. Sure, there's always known unknowns and unknown unknowns, but you have to work with what you have. Are you going to say, "well, if someone shimmied down the chimney to steal the TV we wouldn't be able to detect it so we should continue to entertain the possibility of a second break in" or are you instead going to focus your investigation of the stolen TV towards the guy who has the key and jewelry? If you've exhausted that guy and turned up no TV then maybe look elsewhere; if we exhaust the Russian leads and cannot find a source of the leak then look elsewhere. It seems you are proposing we should look everywhere except the most prominent leads we have first though on the possibility that there might have been a second attack no one has yet discovered.

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Re: Proof Seth Rich was DNC Leaker? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
Wiki leaks is no longer about transparency. They used their resources to defeat Hillary Clinton. Assange has a personal vendetta, and he sold his credibility and reputation make it happen. They are intentionally muddying the waters to create confusion and feed conspiracy theories.



"They're not supporting my theory, therefore they MUST be biased!"

That's now how WikiLeaks works, my friend.



Assange was overtly out to get Clinton. Combined with their private communication with the trump campaign offering help and giving them advanced notice of releases, their bias is unquestionable.


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