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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: moonrockmushy]
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moonrockmushy said:
I mean it just sounds stupid to say there is no way to speculate.  You may not like my model, but of course I can speculate :P



Yes, this whole thread is about speculating. But my argument is that it's silly to say that any alien species that would visit us would inevitably be evolved past companionship, because we could never know what kind of species they are. They may not have ever had a natural need for social interaction and companionship.


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
LogicaL Chaos said:
Go to the "Research->Historical" section at MUFON, read every single one of those written stories, then come back and tell me aliens dont exist.


there is a 0% I am doing that, but I read the Washington lights one, as you mentioned it in the previous thread. The Air Force's explanation seemed much, much more likely, than an alien race managed to develop a method of transportation that can get them to distant galaxies without having generations of astronauts die in the process, somehow slow down enough to see out planet, decide to fly to it, and just hover for a couple minutes and fly away.

Half the people in the story described the lights differently. The only people that wouldve had any credibility, the pilots who were flying in the same airspace the lights were seen in at the same time, said they saw nothing of the sort, and that they did in fact pick up a blip on their radar, but they had already been informed it would show up because of a nearby steamboat.

I'm willing to read two more because they are very long, so if you have any convincing ones, give me the two best.



Ok, fine.

If i had to choose two, my favorite two are The Phoenix Lights and the Kecksburg crash. Read about those two and hear witness testimony from videos then report back.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Also here is a released copy of the Rendlesham Forest incident in the UK. It costs like $6 thru the Birtish Achrive website. Its an 84MB download so use a desktop/laptop:

https://1drv.ms/b/s!Au8YnwJVctvXojhaGhTQz6KSN6wv

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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If there is super advanced alien life in the Universe I suspect they would at least know of our existence. If this is the case we would just be one of an infinite number of primitive species on their list.

Our space Debris is a dead giveaway to any Alien Race observing the Universe. I'd assume once a race gets advanced enough they map out the entire Universe.

We wouldn't be significant to them, but they'd have at least some knowledge of our existence. Doubt they be interested enough to visit. This all assumes that there is life besides us.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Magicman69] * 1
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I suspect the universe is sufficiently v a s t that no existing alien species knows that we are here.


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Magicman69]
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Magicman69 said:
If there is super advanced alien life in the Universe I suspect they would at least know of our existence. If this is the case we would just be one of an infinite number of primitive species on their list.

Our space Debris is a dead giveaway to any Alien Race observing the Universe. I'd assume once a race gets advanced enough they map out the entire Universe.

We wouldn't be significant to them, but they'd have at least some knowledge of our existence. Doubt they be interested enough to visit. This all assumes that there is life besides us.


Yup.

Exactly. The fact is the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, the Universe around 14 billion years old. Thats a fuckin long time. Ungodly long time. And now imagine that on some other world, alien life developed and is actually ahead of us technological. We are the babies of the intelligent races in my opinion as other intelligent aliens already got a head start, maybe by thousands or even millions of years. Who knows.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Or maybe it's too unlikely they'll ever see us. If space isn't infinite, it's impossibly large. The chances of an intelligent race popping us close enough to us to contact us, let alone fly to us, is astronomically low. Your website seems to think there are aliens all the fuck around us that we havent noticed yet.

And if our government found aliens, do you really think that shit wouldn't blow the fuck up? We have decades worth of government officials that have been in on this shit and not a single one of them thought it was interesting enough to say on their death bed at least? Write in a diary?

Even if the government did find aliens, why would they keep it secret? Why for decades and decades? What is the point? It would be the most groundbreaking discovery ever made in human history and its just been sitting underground in the desert since the 50s? That's just ridiculous. I think you just reallyyyyy want to believe aliens have visited Earth.


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Spoiler alert:  You don't know - unless you are an alien or god and I find the fact you assert to know to be rediculous.

Your asking of proof is equally rediculous.  Its like asking an ant to collect a human to provide proof to the rest of the ants.  Absurd.

Your thought has been completely restricted by ignorance and the the human paradigm.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LightRay]
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LightRay said:
Spoiler alert:  You don't know - unless you are an alien or god and I find the fact you assert to know to be rediculous.



it was a joke lol
LightRay said:
Your asking of proof is equally rediculous.  Its like asking an ant to collect a human to provide proof to the rest of the ants.  Absurd.



No it isnt.

And rediculous? Really? Do you not have spellcheck or something?


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
Or maybe it's too unlikely they'll ever see us. If space isn't infinite, it's impossibly large. The chances of an intelligent race popping us close enough to us to contact us, let alone fly to us, is astronomically low. Your website seems to think there are aliens all the fuck around us that we havent noticed yet.

And if our government found aliens, do you really think that shit wouldn't blow the fuck up? We have decades worth of government officials that have been in on this shit and not a single one of them thought it was interesting enough to say on their death bed at least? Write in a diary?

Even if the government did find aliens, why would they keep it secret? Why for decades and decades? What is the point? It would be the most groundbreaking discovery ever made in human history and its just been sitting underground in the desert since the 50s? That's just ridiculous. I think you just reallyyyyy want to believe aliens have visited Earth.


Actually there is a diary entry that is interesting. Ronald Reagan eluded to alien technology in his own autobiography diary:

http://nationalufocenter.com/2016/07/filers-files-29-2016-president-reagons-diary-space-ships/

Theres tons of reasons for keeping this a secret. Did u hear about what happened when they played "War of the Worlds" on the radio? They played as if it was a real thing, and there was mass panic in various cities. There was even people who died in other countries from the plaulying of this War of the Worlds promo.

The main reason for covering it up is to prevent the public from freaking out. The second main reason is the US gov is selfish and does not want to share this advanced technology with anyone, even the American people. Its like they are playing God with this technology and want it all for themselves. Greed basically.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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War of the Worlds was about  humanity being brutally destroyed by invading aliens, not "hey we found a dead alien in the desert"


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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But the idea is the same. Why are aliens here? Many believe its an alien take over. But its not. Aliens are here for many reasons, curosity and maybe just to say "hey u are not alone". Who knows.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Answer this honestly, if tomorrow you saw in the newspaper that they released top secret documents from Roswell, and it shows pictures of a real alien, its real anatomy, tells history of the alien species, explains its technology and shows a real flying saucer, would you say "Holy fucking shit that is fucking crazy as fuck" or would you say "Yeah duh, obviously."


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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I would be surprized it was in the newspaper but i wouldnt be at all surprized that a UFO crashed in Roswell.

Want some photographic evidence? Heres pictures/videos from a UFO sighting this year, in China near a busy airport. The photos are incredible:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/ufo-china-closes-airport-prompts-investigation/story?id=11159531

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/20/china.ufo.debunked/index.html


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Every body knows that there are spaceships.  I was just the last one to find out about it. I first heard that there were spaceships and then I had the occupants come and visit me some years later while I was on my own camping out.
They will communicate with people however the people are able to communicate. Mine were communications via telepathy. Very cool .
The interesting thing was that before one approached me I felt a sort of presence coming near me and I sort of had some eerie goose pimple like sensations . As soon as I the thing was near I had a hard time facing it.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/07/20/china.ufo.debunked/index.html


"Eighteen flights were delayed or rerouted and operations shut down after twinkling lights were spotted above the terminal around 9 p.m. July 7, the agency said. According to Xinhua, speculation has centered on a private aircraft. The state-run China Daily quoted a source saying the object had a military connection.

Purported photos of the unworldly object have appeared online, on YouTube and on television news shows.

Meanwhile, The Shanghai Daily reported a UFO appeared above the city of Chongqing a day later."

See they dont even know what it is. Its all speculation. They think its a "military connection". I mean it could be the US military with their AVR, Alien Reproduction Vehicles. They are still investigating. It is possible that maybe Chinese military are secretly back-engineering alien craft but i cant be sure.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I think there is plenty of evidence if you choose to look for it.


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: musiclover420]
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Yup, the choice is there. Because its the most logical solution for a lot of these unexplained lights in the sky.

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Re: UFOs: Have Aliens Visited Earth [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Yup, the choice is there. Because its the most logical solution for a lot of these unexplained lights in the sky.


Lights aside there are a lot of strange things throughout our history that seem more logical when you factor in some sort of aliens.

For example a lot of mythology becomes much more possible when you consider aliens as part of the explanation.

Personally I think humans are not quite ready for the whole truth, but we have many hints out there throughout our history.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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