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MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers?
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Or rather, anyone who takes or took the stuff and wants to comment on their personal experience?

No sources - its EVERYWHERE because its LEGAL and arguably as good as a cutting steroid with virtually no side effects and no PCT needed. People have taken it for 6 months, a year straight, no testosterone suppression.

Its like Human Growth Hormone and Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 in pill form, because it causes your body to secrete more of those.

You take 10-30mg in the morning and it works all day and night.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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As good as a cutting steroid for what? Unless you are gonna use some real strong appetite suppressants with it then don't bother trying to cut with it cuz it raises your appetite like crazy. I like the stuff though..not as effective as HGH or IGF-1 but still really effective especially for something so easy to take with almost no negatives. The negative sides I got though were bloating, lethargy, and a crazy appetite but that was only a bad thing depending on what I was using it for.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante] * 1
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I would never touch a roid of any type.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Lucis]
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It's not a steroid.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Eminence]
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its not even a SARM.


If it increases appetite, and you eat right and your lean mass increases while your fat doesn't, who's complaining :smile:

Shifting the lean mass/fat ratio is more important than absolute weightloss anyway.

What dose did you use?


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I had heard of it but never really read about it. After reading about it I'm probably gonna order two grams of it. How would you suggest dosing it without a scale?


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I just figured you were most concerned with fat loss, yeah recomps are always better than fat loss I think..but the fat loss is gonna slow down obviously. I just never focused on cutting with it unless I had some ECA on hand because I could eat a pizza in one sitting on the stuff. I mostly used 20 mg, but I've gone up to 30 before. I think a real good combo would be MK and GW-501516 though, GW could help the fat loss but also help with the lethargy, but the best thing about GW is being able to put in a lot more work without getting nearly as tired.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Eminence]
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After even further research I've actually decided against MK677. I've decided to take a combination of GHRP-2 and Mod GRF 129. This combination doesn't induce any GH bleed and should produce GH pulses with peaks comparable to what a few ui of real GH would do for me.

Can anyone comment on the two drugs I mentioned?


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Webster10]
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Webster10 said:
I had heard of it but never really read about it. After reading about it I'm probably gonna order two grams of it. How would you suggest dosing it without a scale?




If you got the pure stuff, one gram dissolves into 40 mililiters of Everclear. 1/2-1 ml is then 12.5-25mg.

I heard of people getting really shitty side effects on GHRP.

By contrast since you apparently can smack down the green, how about sourcing some genuine HGH vials from China?


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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genuine hgh vials... from china? I'm curious to know more. No source talk of course but perhaps you could elaborate a little more and point me in the right direction?


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Webster10]
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There's brands of Chinese HGH, such as Jintropin or Hygetropin, that are obviously much faked but the real deal is out there. Its expensive and requires injection but if you got the real deal I hear there's nothing quite like it. Its pharmaceutical grade HGH.

Alternatively cou could first track down what the leading pharmaceutical brand names for HGH are, and once you have some names looking to find clandestine access to them.

With pharms theres websites with an onsite doctor which will prescribe you a drug then they send it to you in the mail nd i6ts all legal because it is import of a prescription drug prescribed to you.

Obviously there are many bogus pharm sites but checking a site for legitimacy is Internet 101


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Are you sure you want this though, at your young age? You likely are surging with hormones such as HGH, perhaps its just better to stick to SARMS or perhaps a mild forgiving AAS like genuine Anavar in a 5-15mg dose, month on, month off, which won't shut you down.

If you work with 10-20mg Anavar daily, such as in 2 doses, eat right, sleep right, train right, you can expect to add 5lbs of hard gains in a month. Then a month off, them a mont on, you get the picture. It also cuts especially visceral fat.

At your age sledgehammers like Trenbolone and HGH might not be called for.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Yeah I'm not really looking to hop on anything serious which is why I'm curious about the HGH but I don't think I'd end up taking it even if I could source some. I was up reading for hours again this morning after you mentioned serious side effects of GHRP and ibutamoren does indeed sound like the better choice upon further... further research:lol: so I probably will end up just buying a gram of that and taking 20-40mg a day depending on what I like when it's dialed in.

Real HGH would be fucking awesome though, and finding a good source for when I inevitably take it would be cool. I'm looking to hop on something more serious during the summer for a 12-15 week cycle. I'm probably going to just do Test E and Deca. I'd love to hear input on other options you think would be better though


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Webster10]
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Test E and Deca? :lol: I'm fond of assured positive function too, but isnt that a bit overkillish?

First cycle and right from the start throwing Nandrolone in the mix? Nandrolone blooms only when you combine it with another select AAS, so that you can extend the amount of AAS in your system without extending the side effects too much.

Thats really more for people my age who have roided for decades and now are trying to squeeze out more action over their androgen tolerance.

For a first cycle though, how about doing a pure testosterone cycle? Like, 400mg Test E or, even better, Sustanon, which as you know is a mixture of testosterone esters designed to give you a rapid smooth release?

All the bros insist that for a beginner everything other than a pure Test cycle is either a waste of gear or overkill.

If you are looking for the king-of-the-world feeling, specifically two AAS provide that: Test and Dbol, and dbol is also great to start off a cycle with, so if you want the solid gold nutsac feeling Arnie had in the 70s



perhaps consider 400mg Test E for lets say 8-12 weeks with 30mg dbol as 3x10mg oral throughout the day centered around your workout (no more) for the first 4 weeks. For a two component stack this is one of the strongest bulking stacks you can have. Mind your PCT though! Test+Dbol will turn a monkey into a gorilla, but you will retain water which will come off when you stop the dbol making you think you lost half your dbol gains. Its pretty solid stuff though, it was designed by US scientists to defeat the USSR at the doping game during the olympics and it is a large part of what made Swarzenegger as big as he got.

I'm no athlete, though I haul a 355lb body around and bicycle and swim a good lot, and for me the completely benign oral dose of 7.5-15mg Oxandrolone (Anavar) gets results, strength increases, aiding weightloss while having bigger harder muscles, helps cut fat and especially visceral fat ald all this super benignly, orally, 1 month up and 1 month off.

I did some research and extracted the following info:

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Oxandrolone (Anavar):
Anavar 2.5mg tabs, 5-10mg/day for muscle wasting diseases and wound healing.

Muscle wasting & female dose: 2.5-20mg/day. Pediatric max: 0.1mg/kg/day oral.

Athletic pills: 20-50mg, 1 a day usually, highest rational dose 80mg, max dose 100!mg

A good “entry” drug in that it doesn’t have a lot of harsh side effects at normal doses.

It acts immediately but gains are noticable from the 3rd to 4th week onward.

Almost purely anabolic, minor androgen effect, no progesterone/estrogen effects

Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range) of 322-630:24

Realistic gain: 5lbs of pure muscle/lean mass from 25mg/day during 1 month.

Generally well tolerated cycle length: 4-6 weeks on, 3-4 weeks off.

Anavar doesnt retain water or increase blood volume: Cutting steroid.

It is unique in that it assists in burning body fat along with moderate exercise.

It particularly burns abdominal visceral body fat, the deep, deadly, organ smothering fat.

It burns fat even without exercise: J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2004 Oct;89(10):4863-72

5mg has no liver enzyme effects, 10mg has no testicular shutdown effects.

Increases lean body mass, strength, speed, force, endurance and focus.

Oxandrolone may increase aggression, vigor, energy levels, anxiety

Lean muscle gains and fat loss tend to stay longterm especially with PCT (Clomid)

It enhances the effects of diet (calorie restriction, healthy eating) and exercise.

Half life: 8-9 hours after oral use. Daily dose is taken in 1-3 doses.

5-10mg/day has been known to give good athletic results for serious fitness training.

In amounts under 20mg/day almost no suppression of gonadotropin was noted.

Oxandrolone can be advantageously stacked with Stanozolol to add more gains.

It adds strength but little weight, especially useful for weightlifters and martial artists

With low medical doses like 5-10mg/day PCT (Clomid/Nolvadex) is not needed.

Low medical doses do not cause significant liver dysfunction, no increased mortality.

Low medical doses for 6 months increased lean body mass by 4%, for 1 year, 11%.



Those arent the massive gains you are looking for perhaps, but an Anavar only cycle provides many with an edge with very little downsides to it.

I saw the impressive list of gym activities you dropped off in that other thread. if I get quite significant results, and in fact medical patients recovering from surgery or large burns in a hospital bed get quite significant gains, imagine what it will do for someone who actually commits to the gym like yourself.

Don't make the mistake of diving in too deep, too soon, as a beginner and especially a young committed beginner a single steroid, a Test-only (needle) or Anavar-only (oral) cycle should be enough.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Asante..have you even done these other steroids you're talking about? You talk like you've been doing them for a while but I don't think you have. Anavar can shut lots of people down in a month by the way, and lots of people have done just fine using things like Tren with their first cycle. I was one of them. Definitely not necessary..but it's really not that big a deal.

Anyway..I think I'm done using them myself..too much maintenance during and afterwards for my taste. I used to be at least 20 lbs heavier than I am now, that muscle was lost kinda fast when I was forced to stop lifting a little while back. I'll probably just stick with SARMs and peptides from now on.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Wow, a lot of good information, thanks for typing that up. I like the sound of a only Test cycle for my first go. I was getting ambitious wanting to add Deca, but I wasn't aware that it worked in the way that you described it. I thought it functioned more similarly to how you described dbol. I eventually am looking for that golden nutsack Arnold feeling but that's at least a few years down the line haha. Test E for 400mg-500mg / week has been recommended to me a few times on different forums so it looks like I've found a consensus. I think test will provide me with a good foundation and allow me to feel out my body and see how it reacts. I think I'll stay away from Anavar, sustanon, dbol and deca for now:lol:

Thanks for the replies


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Webster10]
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If you already wanna use a long ester Test then Anavar would be just fine and even a good addition to get things rolling a bit earlier on. Shit's expensive though for how mild it is. I was more of a fan of short esters with short cycles and higher doses when I used to do it, I was getting less side effects that way. The amount of pinning was a bitch though, but I started injecting subQ and it became a lot more bearable.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Asante, I'm surprised that you would be the type of person who turns to drugs/steroids as a way of getting to your goals.

Have you not stuck to or decided on a nutrition/diet plan? I remember that thread you made months ago. Laziness and impatience (instead of change and hard-work) just seems like a good way to play "God".... which is bad karma and dangerous.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: daz01]
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Nobody just uses a substance and gets the results they want and has them last without putting in the work and effort to change along with it. Dieting/training 100% natural to get to a goal is overrated anyway..you're saying this on a forum where people grow and eat fungus as a shortcut to psychological development/enlightenment/whatever the fuck.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: daz01]
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I'm building up my tissues, the objective isn't as much to bulk up my muscles, or specifically even to cut into the visceral fat, but to strengthen all my tissues, including connective tissues and bone density, to lose said fat with a minimum of catabolic effect.

Its profoundly unhealthy to lose several buckets of body mass. Even when you are overweight, its is severe wasting and that means that your whole organism suffers it, that you weaken in all your tissues.

You can't lose weight on popping pills and even if you could, you shouldn't. Instead I'm strengthening my body to do it through diet and exercise.

I'm in a phase where I phase out more and more processed foods for unprocessed foods, after this is complete i will start to calorically restrict. Just calorically restricting is suicide if you still eat processed foods and I need to develop a discipline for unprocessed foods first. I already work out.

I fail to see how using an anabolic steroid is "playing God" but eating a shroom isn't. There is nothing inherently wrong with steroid use if you do so responsibly.

Also Eminence, a Nolva (Tamoxifen) PCT is planned after this cycle, it should not be needed at 10-15mg/day Anavar (your shut down guys use 30-60mg) but it sure wouldnt hurt and would catch any level of shutdown there may be.


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