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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Are you sure you want this though, at your young age? You likely are surging with hormones such as HGH, perhaps its just better to stick to SARMS or perhaps a mild forgiving AAS like genuine Anavar in a 5-15mg dose, month on, month off, which won't shut you down.

If you work with 10-20mg Anavar daily, such as in 2 doses, eat right, sleep right, train right, you can expect to add 5lbs of hard gains in a month. Then a month off, them a mont on, you get the picture. It also cuts especially visceral fat.

At your age sledgehammers like Trenbolone and HGH might not be called for.



Don't know your age, won't guess, will give some advice: I knew two people that took HGH/roids while young, hoping to get huge. First dude ended up 180+lb of muscle and a full mustache by 5th grade, but he also stopped growing at the same time. He's currently in his mid-20s, fat, and just under 5ft (tall, probably more than 5ft wide). Second dude, I know a bit better. He was taking only HGH in high school, and while he looks fairly normal (a bit short, but he's Asian and everyone looks short to me), apparently his dick stopped growing early and doesn't always work, which is pretty god damn worrying for an early 20s dude. Second dude didn't even get big.

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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I can see why people would make a comparison between steroids and psychedelics but it's a silly comparison, imo.
People generally take psychedelics as a way of genuinely improving themselves. They can be considered an accessible route for spiritual enlightenment but spiritual enlightenment is often difficult without aid. Whereas most people who use steroids/other PEDs do so for superficial physical appearance improvement; they don't inherently want to improve themselves through extremely "strict" clean nutrition, exercise and lifestyle changes.
Steroid use is a shortcut to temporarily satisfying ego and vanity issues :shrug: The majority of steroid users have unhealthy lifestyles (weekend binge drinkers, chug down energy drinks, munch down mcdonalds/junk food for dem calories and protons, etc) because they know they can get away with it (aesthetically).... I feel like this is playing God :shrug:


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: daz01] * 1
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You're kinda wrong on both counts in my experience..almost all psychedelic users I know use them recreationally and if they end up somehow improving themselves then that's just an extra. I suspect this is the case with most psychedelic users, that it's mostly for fun. And while most steroid users I know do either get a bit gluttonous on the junk food or alcohol from time to time (actually most of the ones I know don't eat a lot of junk food, just a shit load of healthier food), they're much better about diet and training than almost everyone else I know in general.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Eminence]
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:whathesaid:


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: daz01]
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daz01 said:
I can see why people would make a comparison between steroids and psychedelics but it's a silly comparison, imo.
People generally take psychedelics as a way of genuinely improving themselves. They can be considered an accessible route for spiritual enlightenment but spiritual enlightenment is often difficult without aid. Whereas most people who use steroids/other PEDs do so for superficial physical appearance improvement; they don't inherently want to improve themselves through extremely "strict" clean nutrition, exercise and lifestyle changes.
Steroid use is a shortcut to temporarily satisfying ego and vanity issues :shrug: The majority of steroid users have unhealthy lifestyles (weekend binge drinkers, chug down energy drinks, munch down mcdonalds/junk food for dem calories and protons, etc) because they know they can get away with it (aesthetically).... I feel like this is playing God :shrug:




Daz, my friend, look around on the Shroomery and bluelight and realize that this is the intellectual elite. Most people use psychedelics to get fucked up and to laugh off life.

But if I take Anavar, my body upgrades. Not just muscles, thats the least interesting for me, but bone density, ligaments, joints, connective tissues.. that exrtra protein you eat ggoes into your lean mass in every aspect. Every one of your tissues rejuvinates. How is that not self improvement? I would say entheogens and anabolics complemrent each other because one improves the mind/spirit and the other upgrades the body.

Its so much more than getting a beach body, especially for, well, older men like me (44), its a partial rejuvination of the body, a re-envigoration of your tissues.

I have begon with the Ibutamoren (MK667) yesterday, 2x 5mg to test the waters as I often react extremely to new drugs.

I can feel this in the growth hormone sort of way. Enhanced wellbeing, a bit of sedation, improved sleep. Not too shabby. Even at the first dose of the first day at the lowest dose it elicits an effect.


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Edited by Asante (02/24/17 06:18 AM)

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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I was going to order mk 677....im still really fascinated by the potential benefits.

But if you have a tumor or anything like that, that you don't know about, it could make that fucker grow, no? I was reading lots about it 8 months ago.

Besides that potential risk, insane dreams and insane appetite is only real side effect.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Masked]
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Masked: if only for your nights sleep you should do it. heavenly sleep.

I use 10mg in the morning now, a gram lasting 100 days, and this seems plenty for me, more would be too sedating.

I feel it all day and even feel it the next moring, tranquiility throughout, a good feeling, at only 10mg.

I had problems with full bladders during sleep, completely cured, I wake up 8 hours later, fully rested, with a full bladder and no waking up having to pee in between.

Ghrelin, seriously impaired with the obese.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I'm tempted to give this a try. :strokebeard:


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I was very interested but like I say...i found the part about how these drugs will make a tumour grow *if* you have one


Since we never really know what's going on inside our body's....for all I know I have a small dormant tumour that my body has been fighting for years and managing...i take this stuff and next thing you know im going under the knife trying to save my life


Is that being too paranoid?  I feel like it's Russian Roulette in a way.  I understand it isn't likely mind you.

Sigh...i really have been interested in giving it a try tho.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Masked]
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Masked can you dig up that factoid? There are SARMS that do that yes, but MK667 is a Ghrelin receptor agonist and they are associated with antitumor effects

10mg is amazingly active. If I see what it does with the quality of my sleep, its well active so no need to up it further.

I gues growth hormone is where "sleep like a baby" comes from.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I would love to find out that my limited first glance at the stuff is incorrect.

I initially saw stuff like this:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/38z6um/does_mk677_increase_cancer_risk_via_igf1/


I would love if you could bring some more sense to it all for me.


I was sitting on a checkout 6 months ago ready to order some and chickened out lol


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
but MK667 is a Ghrelin receptor agonist and they are associated with antitumor effects





"In old mice, a similar agonist partially restored function to the thymus and reduced tumor cell growth and metastasis."

Could mean MK-677 is different in this case. Also, more HGH means more IGF-1..and it's pretty well accepted that IGF-1 can speed tumor growth.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Eminence] * 3
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OK, thats a real issue, thank you for correcting me guys, I learned something here so thank you.

Really, getting your facts straightened out is supreme, we are here to learn.

By the looks of that though, if your GH and IGF-1 stay within normal tolerances for instance on the level of being 13 years old, your cancer risk will be in the normal range too.

Just dont go overboard. Nobody needs truckload levels of these substances.

Thanks for correcting me :heart:


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Yeah sounds about right. MK-677 is really great but it's not gonna increase IGF-1 to levels like exogenous IGF-1 or exogenous GH.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Eminence]
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Hey eminence, would you mind weighing in on the thread I just made about going on a cycle. First injection is coming up and I'm getting a bit nervous haha


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Interestingly, about 6 months after the Ibutamoren series, the nighttime urination problem is still fixed.

I am generally healthier but that's a clearly defined thing that maybe 3 weeks of Ibutamoren fixed, and which stayed fixed ever since.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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I remember this thread from 6 months back and while interesting I'm skeptical. After having time to think on it, I think playing with these kinds of substances and choosing to be a guinea pig is reckless.

And I'm not trying to put anyone down here, it's just my opinion. Scary stuff imo

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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I decided to abandon ship prematurely, after about 3 weeks of use. My reason was that I was packing on an alarming amount of weight. Growth Hormone releaseres surely increase appetite.

I agree with you on the guinea pig thing. Several SARMs (this is not a SARM) are implicated with lab rats becoming riddled with tumors, and those are the same as some that are in circulation.

Testosterone
Nandrolone
Oxandrolone
Proviron

I'll take the ILLEGAL STEROIDS because they are tried and true since the 1960s, whereas many of those SARMs are very new kids on the block.
They are legal in my country anyway, for personal use, as long as you do not compete.

A hormone is NOT the same as a neurotransmitter type drug. Hormones like estrogens and androgens each tag into hundreds pof bodily functions, on he level that they shape and differentiate how things should function. Thats something involved in the actual CREATING of he body wheras a neurotransmitter drug merely affects how a group of neurons transmits information.


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Man I really need to get on this train. I fell off at the gym, my appetite plummeted & I lost mad weight. Fucking sucks, and I want to pack it back on stat. Generally doesn't take that long once I'm back to it, but still.....


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Re: MK 677 (Ibutamoren) - any takers? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Masked: if only for your nights sleep you should do it. heavenly sleep.

I use 10mg in the morning now, a gram lasting 100 days, and this seems plenty for me, more would be too sedating.

I feel it all day and even feel it the next moring, tranquiility throughout, a good feeling, at only 10mg.

I had problems with full bladders during sleep, completely cured, I wake up 8 hours later, fully rested, with a full bladder and no waking up having to pee in between.

Ghrelin, seriously impaired with the obese.




I like to report for posteriority’s sake :ass: that the nocturnal urnination problem still is fixed NINE YEARS LATER.

Ibutamoren did me good in that regard.

I am way less cavalier about recommending steroids than I was.
Best steer clear.

What I think was a factor was that I used Methoxetamine at the time, arylcyclohexylamines work adversely on the kidneys.

Not used ibutamoren since, but if I start nighttime pissing again I most definitely will give it another 3 weeks to fix it for the next decade :awesomenod:


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