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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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It would feel empty.

The ego is the mediator betwen impulse and society.  Why is that a bad thing?


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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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another silly bifurcation of dichotomy (false, that is) presented.

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: akira_akuma]
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You are babbling again.


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
It would feel empty.


You would feel empty if you did not believe you are flawed?

"empty" as in worthless or "empty" as in content?

It can be a challenge to abandon the notion we're defective.

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
You are babbling again.


if you thought i was babbling the first time, you'd still be wrong.

more so than your "ego", and more so than RJ's perennial philosophy, there is a the union of those ideas that is a more accurate representation of reality. so why argue over quibbles. well.  you know you believe these things are so real, so i guess there is no stopping you. :shrug:

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Senor_Doobie said:
It would feel empty.


You would feel empty if you did not believe you are flawed?

"empty" as in worthless or "empty" as in content?

It can be a challenge to abandon the notion we're defective.


It's a challenge because it's false.

And both. 

If you believe that you are perfect, what is the point of living?  - worthless
If you believe that you are perfect, where do you derive meaning?  - content


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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To find meaning in life we must view ourselves as defective?

Perfection and imperfection is a lie we've been sold.

It's based in self-hatred, and fuels anxiety, rage, and depression.

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Perfection is an ideal.

Ideals are impossible to meet.

But if we don't try, what the hell are we doing?


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Dune.


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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: The Blind Ass]
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How come?


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Senor_Doobie said:
Perfection is an ideal.

Ideals are impossible to meet.

But if we don't try, what the hell are we doing?


Why would we set ourselves up for failure? That's not wise.

Why would we create a value that's impossible to meet?

We can set values without creating impossible ideals.

We have the ability to set values that don't fluctuate.

It is possible for people to act based on their values.

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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cause they need self forgiveness and cannot grant this themselves...due to rigid authoritarian structure.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Isn't that perspective rooted in shame?

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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No.  It's rooted in introspection.  That's where the need for forgiveness comes from, is the ability to recognize your wrongs. 

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Why would we set ourselves up for failure? That's not wise


Thhis depends on how you define failure.  People who pursue perfection are fully aware that they can not realize that ultimate goal.  So, in a sense, perfection is not a goal at all, but a target that can be neared through proper living.

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Why would we create a value that's impossible to meet?


How else can you hope to maximize your worth?  If you set goals that can be met, how do you ever push yourself? 

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We can set values without creating impossible ideals.


We can set personal values anyway we want, sure.  The argument is which strategy is the best strategy.

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We have the ability to set values that don't fluctuate.


Why is this good?  Your values should change as you learn more.  Defining your values more sharply over time gives you something more specific to aim for. 

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It is possible for people to act based on their values.


People act on their values all the time.  This is a given.


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Fuckem

Edited by bigdoodie (02/12/17 03:21 PM)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: bigdoodie]
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bigdoodie said:
Same reason we do anything at all, because we still want to believe anything actually matters, and many of them believe freedom lies in forgiveness, but when we are free it is because we do not belong to anything, and we all want to belong somewhere, church seems like a safe place to belong to, and I think most of us, fearing the unknown, want a sense of security around us.


How is "freedom from anything" a worthy value?


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
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Where'd everybody go?

Have we reached the depths of nihilism?

"Freedom from anything" is a valid way to live because..."whatever"?

Wow, what an attractive "philosophy".


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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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