RJ Tubs 202 said:

Duncan Rowhl said:

Perhaps he simply meant that people complain about things, that they themselves perpetuate.

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Maybe ? related to the passage "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing."

In reference to the concept that we're usually ignorant of how we pave our own road to hell.

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Exactly what I had in mind too.

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If you start towing the line that there's no black and white and everything is everything, the world can and will get a whole lot of this 'black' you claim doesn't exist and you'll have no grounding to argue its anything than what it already is ..

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I'd see 'towing the line' as facing the notion that 'bad' is indeed bad and making effort to counter it (with 'light') instead of taking it as a mere part of the world, when it is perhaps the entire fault of the world and oneself.

If we insist on being the animal in dualism however, the world will vend to our needs, so people can be forgiven in that they can't see past that curtain that they themselves hang.

This is where 'faith' comes in, contrary to common misassumption that it simply means 'belief in God without proof'. It starts and ends with the core of the self, relinquishing the guard and the fight, trusting in heart and knowing that curtain of wrong-mindedness is there, present every day trying to veil our thoughts.

That's where the 'fight' is and that's what the 'faith' is.

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You take heed and re-read that bible you claim to have not have a misassumption about. You seem to be centered on one of the biggest illusions of them all.

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You got some splainin' to do Duncan

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proth said:

RJ Tubs 202 said:

I don't hate Hitler's behavior is what I meant. All things considered, his actions made sense.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

proth said:

RJ Tubs 202 said:

I don't hate Hitler's behavior is what I meant. All things considered, his actions made sense.

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When we refuse to see other's humanity, we put our ego on the throne of gods.

If you had lived Hitler's life, you would understand and appreciate his behavior.

Can you stop for a moment and connect with him as a human, instead of a devil?

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Duncan Rowhl said:

The current presidency represents the absolute pinnacle of wrong-mindedness.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

Duncan Rowhl said:

The current presidency represents the absolute pinnacle of wrong-mindedness.

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And who doesn't seek to justify their positions?

Isn't everyone guilty of that?

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I think you jumped to defence when my quotation was to prove my partial agreement with you.

Many people jump to fortify their position, Q.E.D. - my reply being no exception.

The question is (in context) is, whether that chosen opinion is truly any good, any 'light', or any 'use" -  beyond the mere fuelling of the destructive ego, which just falsely reassures that we are better than the next.

There are many people who don't seek to justify opinions, simply for the fact that their knosis is enough and all.

Some write books, some remain mute.

'Positions' can be ill founded, but then one could argue subjectivity and dualism, so it's a subjective debate. 

Light is bright, but that's in the eyes of the perceiver.

ballsalsa said:

maybe. jesus repeatedly set standards that even his closest disciples couldn't live up to.  I think that is where the whole forgiveness thing comes in.  Scripture called for perfection, yet nobody is perfect.  I'm no biblical scholar though, so i'm not sure if i'm qualified to answer this question at all.

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RJ Tubs 202 said:

Suffering is part of life. Why hate it? That just adds more hate to the world.

Humans are passionate they are "flawed". This is a result of self-hatred.

I reject any idea that's born from self-loathing. I've give that crap up.

I don't hate Hitler's behavior is what I meant. All things considered, his actions made sense.

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proth said:

So, why do some people strongly claim to be one thing yet commit acts in direct contrary?
Sit them down and ask them ....  It's one of the most effective and constructive ways to heal the world.. Yet, not many can bring themselves to do it or slow themselves down enough for it to occur. Everybody's busy 'doing' you see and in that they lose the connection with why they are doing it.

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I was talking to a family member about this the other day, how many Christians are in my eyes Satanists, and vice versa.

I think many people that practice Christianity, only do so out of fear for what might happen to their soul after death, but they never actually have faith in it to begin with, just because someone says they're an adherent to a faith, doesn't mean they understand it.


I have been told I have fierce eyes, and I often wear black, some people get spooked and think this means I am down with causing hell on earth, when in reality I am probably more at peace than most people, I just think to much.

My actions, my words, come from a standpoint of love and understanding.

Morel Guy said:

In society forgiveness never happens.  People guilt and express their dissapointment in so many ways.

Why are christains obesessed with rcieving forgivness?  Did we fuck up that bad?  Do we really need a fresh start?

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Senor_Doobie said:

Morel Guy said:

In society forgiveness never happens.  People guilt and express their dissapointment in so many ways.

Why are christains obesessed with rcieving forgivness?  Did we fuck up that bad?  Do we really need a fresh start?

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here's what I think.  Forgiveness is necessary for Christians because they want to follow in the way of Christ, but know that they are corrupt.  The notion of forgiveness gives us the faith to proceed anyway. 

In many ways, corruption is necessary for salvation.  You can't know what good is without knowing evil.  Without forgiveness, we'd all be damned.

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sprinkles said:

everyone makes mistakes, no human is perfect.

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