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Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness?
#23992749 - 01/08/17 03:31 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Seriously, they seem very unforgiving yet obsessed with the purity of blood to be forgiving. Is it a suicide pact?
Like some 90% of elected officials in the good 'ole USA claim to be Christ worshippers. Whats up with the obsession of forgivness without forgivness?
Animals don't forget and humans pretend to forget. Is it really smart to forget and forgive? Or do we know the same shit could happen again?
Is it all a scam? To get us the authority that another will decide our fate?
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Edited by Morel Guy (01/15/17 04:43 PM)
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23992773 - 01/08/17 03:37 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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I Really think they mean saved feom their own holicost agenda. They will create a further divide in the good ole USA.
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Edited by Morel Guy (01/08/17 03:38 PM)
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23992774 - 01/08/17 03:38 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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The ability to forgive I think is what makes us at least seem more than just another animal. I think forgiveness is one of the most important traits to cultivate as a human being. I don't really know what forgiveness is but I'm certain it does not mean forget.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: cez]
#23992811 - 01/08/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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So it's an act? An act of forgivness?
Is that what jesus meant by saying everyone is a hypocrate which means actor?
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23992843 - 01/08/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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maybe. jesus repeatedly set standards that even his closest disciples couldn't live up to. I think that is where the whole forgiveness thing comes in. Scripture called for perfection, yet nobody is perfect. I'm no biblical scholar though, so i'm not sure if i'm qualified to answer this question at all.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23992850 - 01/08/17 03:58 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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In society forgiveness never happens. People guilt and express their dissapointment in so many ways.
Why are christains obesessed with rcieving forgivness? Did we fuck up that bad? Do we really need a fresh start?
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23992880 - 01/08/17 04:04 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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it was probably a more important concept at the time when people stoned each other to death for breaking religious laws...which i suppose still happens in places.
Christianity especially focuses on the hell aspect of it as well, which, for someone worried about that, might lead to a strong desire for forgiveness for a number of "sins". The catholic church has always cashed in by monopolizing forgiveness through the priesthood"
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: ballsalsa]
#23992919 - 01/08/17 04:17 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Churches are organizations and have been Governments. I fugure we are almost post apocylips rwlgious world. The end times for religion. Good or bad we gotta take it. It held us for awhile but it wasn't goimg to last or surfice.
We did nothing wrong. We did the best we could. We are human and we ned a lot of slack in our over populated society. Just can't get away these days, not like in the past.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23993944 - 01/08/17 10:06 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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I think they promote a culture of forgiveness so that they can demand it when they get apprehended for kiddy-fiddling etc.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: viktor]
#23994203 - 01/09/17 12:29 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Policiticans claim to be Christ worshippers because they want to get votes from the religious folks.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23995564 - 01/09/17 03:40 PM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Seriously, they seem very unforgiving yet obsessed with the purity of blood to be forgiving. Is it a suicide pact?
Like some 90% of elected officials in the good 'ole USA claim to be Christ worshippers. Whats up with the obsession of forgivness without forgivness?
Animals don't forget and humans pretend to forget. Is it really smart to forget and forgive? Or do we know the same shit could happen again?
Is it all a scam? To get us the authority that another will decide our fate?
It's a sad fact many Christians are in fact not like Christ. Despite the meaning of the word. It so happens people of other faiths are more like Christ than they. Rastafarians are very genuine and accepting people. Hindus and Buddhists are much the same in their acceptance of other people's faiths.
That being said there are many fine Christian people who aren't the judgemental "holier than thou" type. The fact that they are followers of Jesus tends to bestow upon them this mindset. Yet, most are the same people sitting around talking about how great Jesus is rather than going out in the world and making the world a better place. It's very hard to get through to them.
The whole "God will forgive you, but I won't" is a poor mindset. Those are the people who regard certain parts of the Bible for their own benefit and forget the other parts when it no longer suits them.
I can forgive just about anything, but I don't forget. However, that doesn't mean because I remember I would ever hold it against you. If you're forgiven, you're forgiven and that's that. It's up to both people if they wish to continue a relationship with said party or friend.
It's not a suicide pact, just a case of the blind leading the blind gone horribly wrong in a lot of cases.
It is smart to forgive but not smart to forget. Forgetting being taken advantage of leaves you open to the same hurt again. This list could go on. Don't forget just forgive and move on.
Ultimately, you decide your own fate. There are choices to be made and paths you will walk, but only you can choose which one is right for you.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#24008377 - 01/13/17 10:31 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said:
Why are Christians obsessed with receiving forgiveness?
Christians feel they're defective, flawed, and dirty.
They wish to be saved from this hell.
Self-loathing comes in many forms.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#24010618 - 01/14/17 07:30 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Forgiveness is the greatest spiritual practice. Forgiveness is acceptance is love (is enlightenment?). Christianity has got a pretty sweet handle on forgiveness. Most people get that the world and man have an evil side, but christians also believe that God redeemed all that when christ became sin. so now everything is forgiven, you just have to come into alignment with that. to the pure, all things are pure.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: mt cleverest]
#24011239 - 01/15/17 02:59 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Forgiveness is for the Obscene?
Otherwise why would we need it in the first place?
So if you can posit a reality where things go wrong, Bad people etc...
Satan is this idea..that doing wrong is good for your soul..for example..
Satan can influence allot of people...by pretending to be a Freemason..But in reality he is just a monster that wants to rape people..
So the question is?
How can I become a Freemason?
Well I would just have to forgive them!
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: mt cleverest] 1
#24012019 - 01/15/17 11:47 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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mt cleverest said: Forgiveness is the greatest spiritual practice. Forgiveness is acceptance is love (is enlightenment?). Christianity has got a pretty sweet handle on forgiveness. Most people get that the world and man have an evil side, but christians also believe that God redeemed all that when christ became sin. so now everything is forgiven, you just have to come into alignment with that. to the pure, all things are pure.
I agree with your words, and would add that in the 5-Path® method of Hypnotherapy that I use, forgiveness of self and of those who hurt us is absolutely necessary for the remission of symptoms due to traumatic events. Often clients will have difficulty forgiving self or other, but it must be done by them for a resolution of the injury. I sometimes have to explain that one does not forgive because the offender deserves it, but that one forgives in order to disengage or detach from the effects that individual has caused. Then the therapy can proceed in the session to the annihilation of negative feelings that are 'stuck' to the client like "barnacles on the hull of a boat," "emotional parasites," that need to be plucked off (or out), and incinerated in a potent visualization exercise (Gray Room technique).
But the point is, one must first sever the emotional attachment to the offender by forgiveness and then they must forgive themselves for any self-loathing they have had, or for the times they beat themselves up emotionally or physically with self-destructive behaviors for their weakness or failures to act. They were not ready, it must be explained, but they are NOW, by virtue of the very fact that they have finally arrived in a therapy chair. Paraphrasing BE HERE NOW, you cannot rip the skin off the snake, the snake must shed its skin when the time is right to do so. Forgiveness is not forgetfulness (something a lot of people request - amnesia for an event), but another snake simile is that while the image of the event will remain, the 'guts' of it will be gone. The memory will be like the hollow shed skin of a snake, having a semblance of the snake, but minus its danger.
I think forgiveness serves the same purpose in the teachings of Jesus in the gospels. Forgiveness requires detachment inasmuch as compassion (or agapé) requires detachment from any thought of reward. This is how compassion and wisdom (or emptiness) are united in Buddhism as well. Empty and meaningless in itself, a cruelty perpetrated on a child (for example) was preceded by a chain of sick events in the life of the offender. It was not deserved by the client, so the client can disown the pain visited upon him/her by a sick individual. By forgiving, they cease to process the pain as personal, like ceasing to rant at a driverless car which has rolled into your own car by gravity, not by a driver's intention. This is how I would describe the 'mechanics' behind the logical and emotional ability to forgive.
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well on my opinion,,, yeah. if u forgive and forget ur not hateing. hating is bad, u can harm ppl and do stuff u will regret. so yeah... its msart but its not right enough... couse of life.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: mitmitice1]
#24012595 - 01/15/17 04:41 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'm going to have to die many times to forget and forgive what experience has taught me.
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#24013603 - 01/16/17 01:27 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: So it's an act? An act of forgivness?
Is that what jesus meant by saying everyone is a hypocrate which means actor?
Perhaps he simply meant that people complain about things, that they themselves perpetuate.
The person of use makes the change in themselves and thus, they needn't guess nor question the fruits of forgiveness, since they witness the benefits first hand.
Edited by Duncan Rowhl (01/16/17 02:04 AM)
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Re: Why ate chistains obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
#24020731 - 01/18/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Duncan Rowhl said:
Perhaps he simply meant that people complain about things, that they themselves perpetuate.
Maybe ? related to the passage "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing."
In reference to the concept that we're usually ignorant of how we pave our own road to hell.
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Re: Why are Christians obsessed with forgivness? [Re: Morel Guy]
#24021742 - 01/19/17 12:05 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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That we commit acts against our ideals doesn't make us flawed. It makes us human.
Forgiveness is difficult because we love (LOVE) to judge and condemn others.
I don't hate anyone's behavior. That's ignorant and just creates more hate.
I could say, "I hate Hitler" but that just pours salt into my wound.
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