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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

[Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#24024548 - 01/20/17 12:08 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

MarkostheGnostic said:

It is a rare thing to feel the same way on Monday morning as one typically feels on Friday afternoon.

A great example of how our perspective creates our reality.

It seems as though the calendar has a huge impact on our mood!?

How can that be? Is it impossible to love life on Monday as much as on Friday?

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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

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#24026018 - 01/20/17 03:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

laughingdog said:

nice Markos

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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

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#24026020 - 01/20/17 03:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

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#24026024 - 01/20/17 03:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

DividedQuantum said:

Fascinating insight, thank you for sharing.

Your post reminds me of the book The Self-Aware Universe by Dr. Amit Goswami. He brings up similar ideas.

Thanks for the comparison, I have/read that book. :cheers:

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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

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#24026167 - 01/20/17 04:32 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

DividedQuantum said:

It seems to me that there is a bizarre contradiction at the heart of Hindu philosophy. On the one hand, they are hardcore fatalists, believing that one cannot change the world, and that free will is an illusion. But on the other hand, at the same time, with respect to their system of karma, they believe that everyone is ultimately and totally responsible for their actions, especially those involving right action and morality. These actions, not up to God but up to the individual only, determine the future course of one's soul. So... they are hardcore fatalists who believe in freely willed behavior. Right? What gives?

Can someone resolve this for me?

Could you specify which Hindu traditions you are referring to as the heart of Hindu philosophy?

"Hinduism" is full of contradictions, but it is also a term that refers to a vast number of varying belief structures.
For instance, there are Dvaita (theistic, dualistic) traditions of belief as well as Advaita (non-theistic, non-dualistic) traditions of belief within the broader umbrella of Hinduism.
Within the different traditions, there are different levels of agency on the part of followers -- in truly dedicated Bhakti faiths, everything is in the chosen deities hands and adherents pray for an eternity worshiping their god; in Advaita Vedanta, the Atman (Self as a "soul") and Brahman (Self as Ultimate Reality) are one and the same, and there is no theistic worship.

There have been a number of attempts to reconcile such discrepancies over the centuries, as well as attempts to break free entirely.

If the contradiction you are seeking a resolution to is within a particular individual tradition, it may be possible to trace that tradition for potential philosophical discourse on the matter.
If the contradiction is more an observance of Hinduism in general, then there has been philosophical discourse over time, but it should be noted that such work is performed in attempting to link together traditions that did not necessarily consider themselves to be linked when they first arose.

An easy cop-out would be to say that some Hindus are fatalistic while others believe in free will.
Moksha is freedom to all; but Moksha manifests differently for each.

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Re: A contradiction in Hinduism

[Re: Tantrika]
#24026317 - 01/20/17 05:19 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I was roughly comparing elements of raja yoga and notions of karma, but I feel it has been resolved by previous posts.

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