Home | Community | Message Board
You are not signed in.
Sign In New Account
Forum Index Search Posts Trusted Vendors Highlights Galleries FAQ User List Chat Store Random Growery

MushroomMan Mycology
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Advanced Mycology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain?
    #2377116 -

is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain?


--------------------
My YouTube channel
Items i use and recommend https://kit.com/MyersMushrooms
Pre built mushroom drum sterilizershttp://www.bubbasbarrels.com/catalog/kombucha-mushrooms-cold-brew-coffee/mushroom-sterilizer

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2377243 -

Not if isolated from a clone, but if from multispore, yes.

Not common, but it does happen.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2377918 -

Culture on agar growing slowly and cottony is typically monokaryotic and incapable of producing fruits unless mated with a compatible monokaryon .

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #2378690 -

Sometimes partial mating compatibility between monokaryons (common-A and common-B pairings) produces dikaryons unable to form fruitbodies. These can often be distinguished from sexually competent dikaryons under a microscope, because they show abnormal cytological features - absence of clamp connections, incomplete septation, etc. Such strains are most likely to arise when spores from the same fruitbody are crossed, because these spores will have the highest proportion of common mating alleles.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2379448 -

So as long as you have rizomorphic growth its all good?


--------------------
My YouTube channel
Items i use and recommend https://kit.com/MyersMushrooms
Pre built mushroom drum sterilizershttp://www.bubbasbarrels.com/catalog/kombucha-mushrooms-cold-brew-coffee/mushroom-sterilizer

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #2382671 -

generally yes

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: pluteus]
    #2389726 -

I have used agar for years. I have never seen any rhizomorphic growth on a multi-spore innculation on agar. I have also never seen a strain that didn't show exceptional rhizomorphic properties close to fruiting or a strain that didn't fruit like crazy. I guess I've been lucky, but after probably 100 agar plates, you'd think I'd have seen this mystical "non-fruiting" strain that everyone warns against.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Blue Helix]
    #2391910 -

Me also, Blue Helix

I was really thinking about matings between partially incompatible mycelia derived from single spores.

With a multispore inoculation, I can see how you might get infertility problems were you to isolate very small patches of mycelium immediately after germination, but does anyone actually do this?

In a more mature multispore-derived mycelium, fully compatible pairings of nuclei will have come to dominate the network. Therefore any region you isolate is likely to be capable of fruiting.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: Blue Helix]
    #2392032 -

Blue Helix said:
I have used agar for years. I have never seen any rhizomorphic growth on a multi-spore innculation on agar. I have also never seen a strain that didn't show exceptional rhizomorphic properties close to fruiting or a strain that didn't fruit like crazy. I guess I've been lucky, but after probably 100 agar plates, you'd think I'd have seen this mystical "non-fruiting" strain that everyone warns against.


I am in complete agreement. I think that ps cubensis is such a ready-to-fruit kind of mycelia, it's hard to ge a non-fruiting isolate. Perhaps with other species that are harder to fruit, such as the ones Stamets talks about, it is possible to have a non-fruiting strain. I don't think that nature would allow for amycelia that could grow, but not produce fruitbodies, no purpose.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Re: is it possible to isolate a non fruiting strain? [Re: TheOneYouKnow]
    #2392118 -

Quote:
TheOneYouKnow said:
I don't think that nature would allow for amycelia that could grow, but not produce fruitbodies, no purpose.



You've never heard of infertility? Just because something can't reproduce has nothing to do with its ability to survive. Sure it won't be able to pass on its genes and continue its genetic line but that specific specimen still has purpose and will still grow, continuing to breakdown its food just as any other mycelium of its species.

Peace - @cro


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1

Shop: Sporeworks.EU Spores for European Microscopy   MagicBag.co All-In-One Bags That Don't Suck   Original Sensible Seeds Bulk Cannabis Seeds   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   Myyco.com Isolated Cubensis Liquid Culture For Sale   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Mushroom-Hut Mono Tub Substrate

Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics > Advanced Mycology
Threaded Mode Threaded  Previous topic Previous  View all topics Index  Next topic Next 

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Re: Developing a fruiting strain of Psilocybin Mexicana! AnubisRonin 2,190 10 02/06/00 11:55 AM
by Ryche Hawk
* Rhizomorphic growth and fruiting? ALHOFF177A17 3,350 2 02/19/02 05:34 PM
by ALHOFF177A17
* Domesticating strains Unknown 1,550 13 03/09/03 12:27 PM
by Meat_Log_Smurf
* Isolation necessary for clones grown on agar? Green_Velvet 2,164 11 09/30/02 07:50 AM
by Green_Velvet
* Re: Mushroom Strain Improvement and Breeding? Ripper 5,240 10 02/10/00 07:01 AM
by Anonymous
* Single Strain (spore) Isolation and the Benefits.. TrippinRhino 9,398 18 07/24/01 12:02 AM
by Anno
* Re: how to fruit ps. tampanensis? solidstate 7,464 13 04/14/00 10:36 AM
by 3Mshroom
* Fruiting on agar On_the_Down-Low 7,483 19 02/14/03 02:14 PM
by Zen Peddler

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: RogerRabbit, cronicr, Stipe-n Cap, Pastywhyte, bodhisatta
2,440 topic views. 0 members, 19 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2026 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.032 seconds spending 0.009 seconds on 16 queries.