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Domesticating strains
    #1359317 - 03/09/03 01:19 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

The strain "South African Transkei" from Thehawkseye is un-domesticated.So,I was wondering what it would take to domesticate it.Would it mean you'd take a tissue sample from a healthy fruitbody or a fruitbody that showed certain traits,then isolating it on agar? Or is it something else?


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1359426 - 03/09/03 03:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

>The strain "South African Transkei" from Thehawkseye is un-domesticated.

Is it? What qualifies a "domesticated" strain?


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anno]
    #1359453 - 03/09/03 04:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

>Is it? What qualifies a "domesticated" strain?

Maybe a strain which is adapted to homegrow- conditions (humidity/ temperature/ substrate ingredients) better than the original, wild mushroom?


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anno]
    #1359454 - 03/09/03 04:13 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A domesticated strain is one that is better adapted to life in an artificial, man made environment. They are usually considered to be of the same species, as domesticated strains are still able to interbreed and produce viable offspring with undomesticated, wild strains. It takes relatively little time, as few as ten generations, for certain organisms to become adapted to life under human control. Eventually, the selective pressures of human error take their affect on any species born and raised under our control, and a domesticated strain emerges all on its own.


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1359459 - 03/09/03 04:18 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

the best way to domesticate a wild mushroom would be to take a print and do a multispore inoculation. This way you automatically get the shrooms with the best genetic conditions for home growing.
Repeat this with every new shroom generation and they should get more'n'more domesticated.
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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1359462 - 03/09/03 04:20 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: BigJohnson]
    #1359466 - 03/09/03 04:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

I have grown several P. cubensis from spores gathered in the wild, and haven?t been able to tell a distinct difference to the so called "domesticated" strains like Ecuador or Golden Teacher.

Some strains grow better, nicer, faster than others, true, but to attribute this to the fact that they aret not "domesticated" has little to no substance, IME.


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Waldarbeiter]
    #1359468 - 03/09/03 04:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anno]
    #1359736 - 03/09/03 08:02 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Transkei

"Currently the spores we have are from 2nd generation mushrooms, so they are rather untamed. We usually dont release strains before they are domesticated, so we only have a limited amount of these 2nd generation spores of this strain. "

"No telling how these will change over time as they become more domesticated. "


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1360143 - 03/09/03 11:48 AM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Okay,here's an example: let's say a strain puts off a bunch of tiny fruits and a couple big ones and you wanted only the big ones.Could you just take a tissue sample and isolate it on agar and see the same traits in the fruitbody you took the tissue from? Or is it as simple as just taking the spores from the fruitbody with the prefered traits?

"the best way to domesticate a wild mushroom would be to take a print and do a multispore inoculation. This way you automatically get the shrooms with the best genetic conditions for home growing."

How is that possible? Why would the shrooms with the best genetics be any more prevelant than shrooms with bad genetics if the spores from both were all mixed together?


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1360204 - 03/09/03 12:20 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Okay,here's an example: let's say a strain puts off a bunch of tiny fruits and a couple big ones and you wanted only the big ones.Could you just take a tissue sample and isolate it on agar and see the same traits in the fruitbody you took the tissue from? Or is it as simple as just taking the spores from the fruitbody with the prefered traits?




its not that simple, genetics of mushrooms play almost insignificant roles in producing large mushrooms (in comparison to the amount/quality of care given to the creature) but, if you were to make multiple cakes of a small fruiting strain, and were to take live tissue from the cakes with the largest fruits, innoculate some sterile substrate with that, and some more tissue from another large fruiting cake, your hybrid would most likely produce large mushrooms... hypothetically at least

also, spores are not genetic replicas of the fruit bodies they came from.
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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: amyloid]
    #1360224 - 03/09/03 12:31 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

So "the best way to domesticate a wild mushroom would be to take a print and do a multispore inoculation. This way you automatically get the shrooms with the best genetic conditions for home growing."
is not true at all then?


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: Anonymous]
    #1360244 - 03/09/03 12:47 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

So "the best way to domesticate a wild mushroom would be to take a print and do a multispore inoculation. This way you automatically get the shrooms with the best genetic conditions for home growing."
is not true at all then?




i think Waldarbeiter was putting more emphacise on the repetition of that method... if i understand him correctly hes saying that growing mushrooms indoors succesfully will produce mushrooms that are compatible with domestic parameters, in other words, everytime you _SUCCESSFULLY_ produced a mushroom crop it's offspring would be one step closer to perfect domestication, but succesfully is the key word, think of it like natural selection on a much more acute scale.


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Re: DOMESTICATING STRAINS [Re: amyloid]
    #1360446 - 03/09/03 02:27 PM (13 years, 8 months ago)

A domesticated strain is one that you can take to parties and it doesnt throw fecal matter at the other guest. Or well thats my definition. I could be wrong though.

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