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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
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just wondering - do you think something so absurd would actually be made law now? (in regards to the flag)


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Trump is a huge unknown.  I doubt he'd try to do that, but given that people (even here on the political forum) are already falling in line, he just might think about it.  :shrug:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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True.  We'll wait and see and learn.  I just wish they would stop the damn wars over seas and spend some of that ( our tax money )  on our own country.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Oh supposedly this whole thing is Trump trolling hillary clinton for something she voted for a while back?  lolz.  dont quote me, but yea.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass]
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and you fell for it.  in 05' Hillary voted for the same thing with an added 100k fine.  so he's doing this to make a point when the media and the left start attacking him, hes going to turn it around and show how they are hypocrites to buffer his stance.  ha, this whole thing is retarded on ALL sides.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Blind Ass] * 4
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You are an idiot if you think thats Trump's plan.


Also, no one on this subforum likes Hillary, supports Hillary, or admires her short time as a legislator.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 3
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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I don't think Trump has any plans that he shares with the public. Spouting that shit was just childish, the words of an overindulged juvenile. To have faith in Trump is a meta faith, you have to believe that what you think he is saying, is what he means and have faith that he won't abandon what you think he's saying when it becomes difficult.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: falcon] * 5
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Seems to me that for Trump supporters, whatever he says that they agree with is "him telling it like it is," and everything he says that they dont agree with is part of some ulterior motive and master plan to outfox the liberal media.

Give me a break.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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:lol: Yeah, he's a moderator in a large focus group, his contribution is spit-balling.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: falcon] * 1
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falcon said:
I don't think Trump has any plans that he shares with the public. Spouting that shit was just childish, the words of an overindulged juvenile. To have faith in Trump is a meta faith, you have to believe that what you think he is saying, is what he means and have faith that he won't abandon what you think he's saying when it becomes difficult.



I don't think he has any 'Plans' other than to 'Drain the Swamp' and 'Take a bat to DC'. All these people he's hiring that dislike the agency to which they are hired to run and beat it into they agency they want to see, won't work. 'To every complicated problem there is a simple solution, that doesn't work'. He going to run DC into the ground and in the process fuck the whole country. That much change all at once will not work and we will still be suck with the same IRS, Big Banks, etc...  Get the money out of politics, that's where the peoples problem is.

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: sweeper54] * 2
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Once you recognize Trump is baiting his opposition to burn American flags, the next logical step is to burn Confederate flags and bait him and his goons into defending the Stars and Bars

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/07/24/woman-facing-charges-after-burning-confederate-flag-in-manitou-springs/


Penn & Teller burn an American flag:


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
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I have no opinion on the issue of what people should be legally allowed to do with an American flag but I do have an opinion on the definition of words. Speech is words that come out of a persons mouth. The amendment that protects free speech also protects freedom of the press, press freedom relates to words people write down. So the first amendment protects peoples right to free expression when it comes to spoken and written words.

Again I have no opinion on what the law should be on the flag issue but this whole notion that actions involving the flag are somehow "speech" are a distortion of the meaning of the word speech. If the word speech in the first amendment wasn't written to have a precise meaning then they would not have included press freedom in the amendment. If speech could be expanded to mean all sorts of things then why bother mentioning the press(written word)?

Speech clearly means spoken words. Press refers to written words. All this stuff with the flag is a separate issue and I don't care what happens either way with the whole flag issue.

If speech meant more than spoken words then the amendment would not have also mentioned freedom of the press.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines] * 1
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what about sign language?

or pictographs?

Edited by ballsalsa (12/01/16 10:18 PM)

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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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Pictographs are a form of writing and sign language is a form of speech. Doing things to flag is not speech.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
what about sign language?



Are people now starting their hands on fire?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines] * 1
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lines said:
Pictographs are a form of writing and sign language is a form of speech. Doing things to flag is not speech.


lines said:
Speech is words that come out of a persons mouth. The amendment that protects free speech also protects freedom of the press, press freedom relates to words people write down. So the first amendment protects peoples right to free expression when it comes to spoken and written words.


Speech clearly means spoken words. Press refers to written words.

If speech meant more than spoken words then the amendment would not have also mentioned freedom of the press.


I agree, sign language is a form of speech, though it does not meet your definition, as it is not spoken.
Pictographs are speech too, though they are proto-writing at best and they are not written depiction of words, but rather, drawn depictions of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictogram
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Pictographs can be considered an art form, or can be considered a written language and are designated as such in Pre-Columbian art, Native American art, Ancient Mesopotamia and Painting in the Americas before Colonization. One example of many is the Rock art of the Chumash people, part of the Native American history of California. In 2011, UNESCO's World Heritage List added "Petroglyph Complexes of the Mongolian Altai, Mongolia"[2] to celebrate the importance of the pictograms engraved in rocks.


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines] * 2
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Quote:
doing things to flag is not speech.





    What about smoke signals , made by burning a pile of  American flags ? That would be considered speech right ?


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: lines]
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Your argument makes sense, but is at odds with centuries of Supreme Court precedent. Now even corporate political donations are speech...


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Re: Trump: Flag-Burning Must Have Consequences, 'Perhaps Loss of Citizenship or Year in Jail' [Re: Crumist]
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Corporations are people, my friend.


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