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Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? * 5
    #23537699 - 08/13/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

There's something out there called "industry standard." Which is a ceiling for game quality, and if any popular game were to break that ceiling, the rest of the industry would have to follow suit and therefore spend more money in development to see a return on their investment.

Therefore, every popular game is kept at or below industry standard, which is jussst barely quality enough to fool you into thinking its a fun/good game. Not saying these games aren't fun, hell, for people who've never played something above industry standard that's as good as it gets. But there's better stuff out there..

My faith in any new videogames was finally killed for good after playing through the new metal gear solid game, many months ago now. After hearing that no mans sky was a big disappointment (who saw THAT coming) it reminds me that a large percentage of my age group will still shell out 60 dollars for such things.

I now find what people write about unreleased games hilarious. The developer says they "mastered dog AI" or "fixed" this aspect of gameplay, and the consumers just eat it up without a second though. Have they not payed attention to the consistently piddly changes that accompany these grand claims?

Like all they need to sell you a 60 dollar hunk of shit is good graphics, yielding a prettyful trailer, and then over exaggerated claims. And from what I see, people who are aware of this are a minority.

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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23537719 - 08/13/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What did you dislike about the new MG? I thought it was repetitive but I enjoyed the gameplay and new engine


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #23537723 - 08/13/16 11:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah there's a lot of gaming companies out there just pushing for the bottom line (top $$$) who don't really care about their content.
But having some insight in the industry, a whole lot more goes into a game then you might think. Making a game is a LOT of work. 

I think the claims of "No Mans Sky" totally sucks balls are retarded considering it just came out on PC yesterday. I'm enjoying it.
People have unrealistic expectations. They want it to be Minecraft in Space... it's not. Plus it JUST fucking came out, there's still lots of development to be done.
I played DayZ for like 2 1/2 years. it's still in Alpha.

Don't get me wrong, I have plenty to bitch about especially when it comes to companies like EA - aka Satan incarnate.

But there's tons of awesome game companies out there putting out excellent content
And the choices for gamers have NEVER BEEN BETTER in the history of games.
The game industry itself is a volatile market. You can be a senior level programmer and unless you are in one of the monster companies like Blizzard or Riot or Supercell or whatever, your job could fizzle in an instant.

TL;DR: I'm not really sure what your talking about. Yeah there's a bunch of crap games - don't play them. Play the good ones. You have tons of options.
The "industry standard" is just "we have to make money with this game or we can no longer exist as a company" unless you are one of said monster companies that can afford to make a complete flop of a game and still keep going.
Because in the end gaming companies are a business and business have to make money to exist.
It's just the way they go about it that is the question and the value they provide to the gamer as an experience.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #23537759 - 08/13/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Frustration with large industry titles drives a number of people to indie gaming.
Would like to get more into indie game development; maybe publish something on Steam, then have that in a portfolio to work at a larger company.
Would I turn around and get lazy at that point, or be told by my boss to work less hard, who knows?

Why work hard when you can take breaks and shortcuts?


On the other hand, No Man's Sky was also apparently done by a small studio of 10 or 11 people.  Not sure if it is 'fair' to expect it to have the content and quality of a large industry title.
Or is the idea meant to be that larger companies put pressure on them to dumb their game down to fail to meet the hype?

Personally have not tried No Man's Sky, and not sure I will.  If I am going to be let down by a major exploration-based space game it's going to be Star Citizen and it's hype train instead.  :snub:

Think hype plays a big role as well -- personally went into Undertale blind, and found it excellent. 
IGN, on the other hand, decided it beat out Witcher 3, Metal Gear Solid and Fallout 4 for best PC release of 2015.
With the community that surrounds it though, think it would be hard to have realistic expectations for it without going in oblivious.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Tantrika]
    #23537778 - 08/13/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The same reviewer that bashed No Mans Sky so hard was talking all kinds of crap about Rust and Ark and a bunch of other games, so I don't trust his opinion.
Rust in early access was the fucking ShizzleBAMShnipSnap, game was so fucking good. They ruined it, of course, but you can still play legacy servers I think.
Ark is pretty awesome. His opinion is void.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Shroomism] * 2
    #23537827 - 08/13/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Sadly the videogame industry is only one of many effected by this. Pop "music" and mainstream TV/ movies are both shining examples :glittershitz:


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23537854 - 08/13/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Sadly the videogame industry is only one of many effected by this. Pop "music" and mainstream TV/ movies are both shining examples :glittershitz:



I've got a running list of things that have been horribly perverted by the chase for money above all else. Modern science makes a good addition to the list, just realized yesterday.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr] * 2
    #23537861 - 08/13/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I only really play indie and oldschool games these days so I'm gonna have to go like

:thatsayes:


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23537867 - 08/13/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

:underage:


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23537871 - 08/13/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
Yeah there's a lot of gaming companies out there just pushing for the bottom line (top $$$) who don't really care about their content.
But having some insight in the industry, a whole lot more goes into a game then you might think. Making a game is a LOT of work. 

I think the claims of "No Mans Sky" totally sucks balls are retarded considering it just came out on PC yesterday. I'm enjoying it.
People have unrealistic expectations. They want it to be Minecraft in Space... it's not. Plus it JUST fucking came out, there's still lots of development to be done.
I played DayZ for like 2 1/2 years. it's still in Alpha.

Don't get me wrong, I have plenty to bitch about especially when it comes to companies like EA - aka Satan incarnate.

But there's tons of awesome game companies out there putting out excellent content
And the choices for gamers have NEVER BEEN BETTER in the history of games.
The game industry itself is a volatile market. You can be a senior level programmer and unless you are in one of the monster companies like Blizzard or Riot or Supercell or whatever, your job could fizzle in an instant.

TL;DR: I'm not really sure what your talking about. Yeah there's a bunch of crap games - don't play them. Play the good ones. You have tons of options.
The "industry standard" is just "we have to make money with this game or we can no longer exist as a company" unless you are one of said monster companies that can afford to make a complete flop of a game and still keep going.
Because in the end gaming companies are a business and business have to make money to exist.
It's just the way they go about it that is the question and the value they provide to the gamer as an experience.



A good collection of points. sad stuff.

I guess I just wish I could show every gamer out there that the best games are often free, and get them to stop feeding this beast.

I've gotta wonder if the main reason development takes so long is too much focus is on visuals and all the things that come with them. Couple of my favorite games on this earth are text based, free, and made by a handful of people.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: California]
    #23537873 - 08/13/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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:underage:



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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23537874 - 08/13/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah modern science is another good example sadly... What made you realize it yesterday?

I realized it pretty much as soon as I was old enough to understand what happened to Tesla :sad:


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23537881 - 08/13/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I guess I just wish I could show every gamer out there that the best games are often free, and get them to stop feeding this beast.




I don't know about that assertion. The best games often are not free ime. Unless we are talking about piracy and retro-gaming, then by and large the best games try to make some money off the end product. No doubt.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23537882 - 08/13/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

haha, I mean I was aware of it beforehand, the realization was simply that it belonged on the mental list I have going, at the top of it even.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23537885 - 08/13/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

PatrickKn said:
Quote:

rbalzer said:
I guess I just wish I could show every gamer out there that the best games are often free, and get them to stop feeding this beast.




I don't know about that assertion. The best games often are not free ime. Unless we are talking about piracy and retro-gaming, then by and large the best games try to make some money off the end product. No doubt.



this is just my bias I suppose. Me and my rogue-like games, love em to death


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: musiclover420]
    #23537886 - 08/13/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah modern science is another good example sadly... What made you realize it yesterday?

I realized it pretty much as soon as I was old enough to understand what happened to Tesla :sad:




:justno:


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23537900 - 08/13/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It was all downhill after this came out


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: trees]
    #23537905 - 08/13/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Majora's Mask was pretty good but yeah, seems about right.


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23537907 - 08/13/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Bethesda makes amazing games, ive spent almost 8,000 hours on skyrim(just an estimate), but it's only fun with mods. Ubisoft always downgrades games after E3. Activision is a vampire that loves to suck money out of the pockets of parents with 10 year old children. Dice Is a money horny b*tch that constantly pisses off their fans but a year later releases an amazing game luring you back.

Ubisoft downgrading games lol


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Re: Anybody else realized that every big money video game is garbage? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23537912 - 08/13/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Care to elaborate or just give a vague :snub: response like is so common here in the Pub? :lol:

Quote:

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haha, I mean I was aware of it beforehand, the realization was simply that it belonged on the mental list I have going, at the top of it even.




It can certainly be easy to overlook how widespread it is.

Quote:

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I don't know about that assertion. The best games often are not free ime. Unless we are talking about piracy and retro-gaming, then by and large the best games try to make some money off the end product. No doubt.




"Best" is subjective though. Many of the most original games have been free and many of the most hyped and expensive games are the least original :shrug:

Clearly the most professional games are not going to be free usually but it has become easier over the years to make "free" games and still make a profit.

Games can be free and still "try to make money off the end product..."


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