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    #23317940 - 06/07/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey! Hope this is the right forum for this topic, at least to me it feels "more" right than The Psychedelic Expirience forum for example. I am very interested in the (highly?) possible connection between Salvia and Astral traveling. Reason for this is, that I'm reading "Journeys out of the body" by Robert Monroe right now. Just finished the 6th chapter "Reverse Image" and I'm just so amazed by the whole topic. In the 6th chapter Monroe talks about rolling out of his physical body to get into astral projection. Every time he did that there was some kind of crack in his vision, a kind of super dark pitch black hole in which he could enter a kind of different dimension. A portal kind of thing. Then to my amazement, yesterday I found this Salvia trip report: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=13862

Where the guy reports:

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What I saw when the lights came on, really scared me (that’s a classic understatement.) Someone that looked like my wife, only slightly cartoonish, was standing to my left. In front of me was…how can I describe it... a rent, a rip in the fabric of reality. By reality, I mean the room that I normally saw as my bedroom. The room was still there but I was being pulled into a rip. The edges of the rip where sort of undulating as if there was some type of wind or current flowing out from within, what can only be described as, a void. Within the rent was a pitch blackness like I have never seen in my life. The edges of this undulating rent had the herringbone pattern I saw earlier, which sort of gave the whole rip the appearance of a zipper, but it wasn’t a zipper. The rest of the room was visible but it seemed to be fading out.

I felt some presence in the rent. It was a vague, undefined presence. I wouldn’t describe this presence as evil, but I wouldn’t describe it as good, either. At this point, I looked down toward my legs and perceived that both of my legs were melding together and flowing into the herringbone pattern at the edge of the rent. In other words, my body was becoming part of the surface of the rent, yet I felt pulled into it at the same time. This sight produced an extreme inner terror.




I mean, this is very interesting, because he's basicly describing the same thing, that Robert Monroe encountered during his Out of body expiriences.

Another interesting thing is the story of the "Locale III" place, that Monroe entered in his expiriences. He described this Locale III place as a kind of our reality-matching thing with people, that live together in societies, cities, go working like us and so on but still highly different. There he could enter the body of one of these beings and for the time he was there he would be this being and could control every move and had his memory. That reminded me pretty much of this dudes salvia trip:



He said afterwards, that he went to a place and he was a another being, that lived in that place for what felt like 30+ years. He had friends, daily obligations and all that stuff. There are many more trip reports, that say the same stuff.

Monroe talks about Locale I, II and III. Locale I is this reality, we're right now living in. Locale II is this completly diffrent reality, absolutely indescribable from our standpoint of reality (like most people would describe the places they go to when on Salvia) and Locale III is this place, thats kind of similar to our Locale I reality, but still different.

From the first trip report:
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Suddenly, about the time I exhaled, I felt a warm wave quickly sweep through my body, staring at my feet and flowing upward. It happened so fast it startled me and I tried to sit up.




Sounds similar to me like the vibrations and energy flow that Monroe talks about, when entering the relaxed-body-state right before leaving the physical body. Just that he knew about it and concsiously triggered it with certain "mind-body-excersises" and the Salvia dude had no clue what was happening and got scared.

So, me personally, I had two expiriences with Salvia last year. First time 20x and second time 40x. I was very cautious with the dosage, so I smoked not a big amount. First trip I was outside with a friend and I remember exhaling and looking around when suddenly there was this kind of "split-screen" thing like in video games, the next thing I can remember was this Locale I reality completly folding up and being replaced with something else. I can remember one or two entities then, like faces looking down at me (seeming friendly and inviting) and then there was this scene of a tunnel going trough a very big mountain. Rainy dark night with lanterns in front of the beginning of the tunnel and I was like floating 30 meters above ground or something like that just looking down peacefully. Wasn't gone very long, just 1-2 minutes. 2nd time I smoked, it was the 40x and I was gone longer, like 4 minutes. Entering into the trip was very peaceful again, also the whole trip. It was different than the first time, because right after I sucked the smoke in I closed my eyes and did not open them until I did it like automatically, when the trip started to fade away. I was in another scene, feeling like it could have been similar to the sudden "entering another being" type thing. I felt like I was some kind of schoolboy, getting ready to go to school in the morning, mother was caring, the bus was about to arrive.

Very reality shattering expiriences, but like I said both very calm and peaceful basicaly. That was about 10 months ago. Right after these trips, I decided to buy a lot of Salvia, I don't know exacly why, but somehow I felt the urge to get more of this stuff, without wanting to do it more right away. So, now a few days ago after getting the "Journeys out of the body" book and reading this stuff, that just fits to the Salvia expirience so perfectly I am really amazed and need to try it again.

Has anybody already looked deeper into this connection of Salvia and Astral traveling? Would be very interesting to exchange opinions on that. I'll keep you guys updated when I do another "experiment".

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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23318246 - 06/07/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, just wanted to say very cool to see this -- the other day I came across a picture of salvia divinorum. . .

I haven't ever taken it, but this is definitely the right forum for this topic. . . I will be reading through your post over the next few days. . . thanks !

I think petting kittens is kind of like astral traveling.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: once in a lifetime] * 1
    #23318391 - 06/07/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I think the "problem" with Salvia is, that really most of these dudes you see trip videos from, are absolutely unprepared for the expirience. They simply don't know anything or very little about it. When you do it experimentally, knowing that it is some kind of astral traveling thing, I think you can really go into it without fear and anxiety. I mean, this book by Robert Monroe is so fucking deep, I can't possibly say how much I value the information he's giving there. Back in last year when I did the Salvia I knew nothing about the astral projection thing. Now, somehow the dots connect...

I will definitely check out the techniques Monroe uses to induce the OBE's "naturally", but Salvia really seems to be right in the same neighbourhood. I'm so curious, looking forward to be "experimenting" the end of this week!


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli] * 1
    #23319035 - 06/07/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I'm a big fan of Monroe, I read all his books when I was in high school.

I've never astral projected on salvia, but I have a few times from sleep paralysis or lucid dreaming. Often I would find myself paralyzed with extreme loud buzzing and very strong vibrations in my body - if I went with it and stayed calm I would hear a "pop" and roll out of my body and fly around the house I was in. Sometimes I would see a few things added like a blue scorpion in a cereal bowl.

I would be fascinated to hear the results of your experiments :cheers:


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23320563 - 06/08/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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Has anybody already looked deeper into this connection of Salvia and Astral traveling? Would be very interesting to exchange opinions on that.




I used salvia once, about a year ago; 60x. I've had two self-induced OBEs, both 10 days apart about 18 months ago.

From these experiences, I don't see the similarities.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23321708 - 06/08/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Intruiging.

I've been trying to reach out to people for years with regards to what is being described as 'Locale III'.

I was considering writing a short book on the topic.

Here's a thread of mine...

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22724002

I'll be ordering Jorneys ou of the Body now....

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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23322749 - 06/08/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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PaulyAnna said:
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Has anybody already looked deeper into this connection of Salvia and Astral traveling? Would be very interesting to exchange opinions on that.




I used salvia once, about a year ago; 60x. I've had two self-induced OBEs, both 10 days apart about 18 months ago.

From these experiences, I don't see the similarities.




I'm not sure if I have had an OBE so far in my life. I definetly had some pretty fascinating lucid dreams, where at the beginning I would be in my bedroom and then fly around the house through doors and walls. But I'm not sure if they were 'just' lucid dreams or real OBE's?!

I think if one really wants to discover Salvia in relation to astral projection, one needs to do it really scientifically. Doing lots of experiments, documenting all of them very precisely. You had two expiriences, so do I. But I think we really have to dig deeper here. Because my expiriences were kind of like what Monroe describes in his book. I'm just not exactly sure if these other realities I was in under the influence of Salvia were places in Locale I or Locale III.

I don't know, for me personally I have the feeling that Salvia and astral projection are kind of the same thing. Sure, there must be some differences, but basically I think we can go to similar places under the influence of Salvia. The thing is, Monroe describes some of his out of body journeys as long as two or three hours of normal reality time. These Salvia journeys would be much shorter in duration, but maybe some other effects play a part in this, that don't exist in 'natural' OBE's (like the dude from my first post, who felt like living 30 years in his trip, but was only gone for 10 minutes in real time). Robert Monroe never described such a thing so far in his book. So Salvia seems to affect the expirience of time more. There must be differences, but I'm really curious to find out about them, because like I said: basically I think the phenomenom is the same, some energy thats normally felt as 'inside' the body gets somehow released and can then travel to other places, realities, dimensions, whatever...

I'm sure the dosage plays a major role in all this. I will begin with very low doses, working my way up, getting used to the effects. I think it's crucial to keep the body absolutely still during the Salvia trip. In my two trips I sat straight up, not moving once until the trip started to fade out and I would open my eyes automatically at the end of both trips, like not consciously but because I got back in my body they just opened without my conscious will to do so. Also I can remember the coming on of the Salvia as almost the same in both trips, that feeling when it starts to carry you away. In OBEs it's also always the same feeling at the beginning, right? When the 'energy' leaves the body.

Another difference is when consciously inducing OBEs you are able to go out of them by your will. Like Monroe, whenever he had the conscious intent to go back to his physical body it would just happen and he would be back. Thats kind of different with Salvia I would guess, once you're gone, you're gone :smile: But I think there is nothing to fear in these trips. I'm very open and curious, even to trip scenarios, that would freak other people out. I wanna go there, I wanna find out what this is, no matter what I will see. My first two trips were mind shattering (which seems kind of normal when confronted the first time with something like this I think), yet really calm and peaceful. Especially the afterglow I can remember as really pleasent.

Really looking forward to start my experiments soon.

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Duncan Rowhl said:
Intruiging.

I've been trying to reach out to people for years with regards to what is being described as 'Locale III'.

I was considering writing a short book on the topic.

Here's a thread of mine...

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22724002

I'll be ordering Jorneys ou of the Body now....




Thanks Duncan, I'm gonna check it out. You will love the book, promise!

Greetings


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23325169 - 06/09/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I guess experiments are needed if you want to find a correlation. But, from my limited experience they aren't similar.

I've been thinking about using my extract again, soon. I don't have the time for a self-induced OBE to compare. It took me many days and hours each week, and finally after two months it happened.

Salvia, and you're there. . . somewhere, very quickly.

Now that I think about it, both are dissociative. With salvia you're not in control, at all. An OBE you're in control so long as you can stay focused and control your thoughts; that realm being immediately thought governed.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23326311 - 06/09/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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PaulyAnna said:
Yeah, I guess experiments are needed if you want to find a correlation. But, from my limited experience they aren't similar.

I've been thinking about using my extract again, soon. I don't have the time for a self-induced OBE to compare. It took me many days and hours each week, and finally after two months it happened.

Salvia, and you're there. . . somewhere, very quickly.

Now that I think about it, both are dissociative. With salvia you're not in control, at all. An OBE you're in control so long as you can stay focused and control your thoughts; that realm being immediately thought governed.




Yeah, with Salvia you're not in control. But maybe, that's just the first trips, where you don't know exactly whats going on. I tend to believe, that the more someone experiments with it and really trying to find out whats going on in these trips, the more this person will be able to control these things. I'm really a big 'beliver' in the fact, that everything happens for a reason. Life, whatever this is we're expiriencing here, is just so beyond what our logical thinking mind can understand. I mean, the ordinary reality, where one goes to work, has his obligations and social interactions, is just one side of the coin. There is so much more to discover and to expirience, but ordinary folks just don't want to investigate in these things. They're happy with their reality, being this person, this body, basically objecting to anything, that goes beyond that. I can understand these people, because essentially the human being is searching for security, where ever he can find it. Some constant in his life, that gives him/her a feeling of being safe. Being safe from the unknown. But that unknown is exactly where the magic of life happens. The more unknown something is we're expiriencing, the more we object to it. But I really belive, that if one is truly open to this unknown, whatever it may be, one can expirience and understand life so much more than what we're used to. I think it's crucial to have this mindset when we go into these psychedelic expieriences. Be open for whatever comes, that's the most important thing. Going out of our security based comfort zone of ordinary reality, consciously, to see what life has to offer to us. And I just feel for now, that Salvia is really important in that regard.

I think I'll start my experiments on sunday. Really looking forward to it. Starting with 20x, to see where I'm at.

Greetings


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23328715 - 06/10/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, well things just escalated quickly...

WOW, so this morning, I had what I think was my first self induced OOBE expirience. I woke up regularly and decided to try to induce the OOBE. So I laid on my back and just tried to relax the body as much as possbible, just concentrating on my breathing and my heartbeat and feeling my body not as my body but just as an energy field. So, after some time (I don't know exactly how long it took) these first hypnagogic images came and I kind of got out of them now and then and feeling my bodys energy again but already more in like a "dreamy" state. Then I suddenly was in a kind of dream where I was in my bathroom, standing in front of the mirror, shaving my beard. Suddenly I felt super dizzy in this dream, my legs got all wobbly and instantly I decided I have to lay on the ground in my bathroom. This was the moment when this super fucking sick kind of vibration kicked in and it was this moment also when I remembered trying to induce the OOBE, knowing this was just a dream and connecting the dots in my 'dream'. So at this moment I knew this must be the OOBE, that just started to happen and I instantly tried to focus my intention on a girl, that I dated recently and wanted to travel to. I imagined her, then a picture of a room I was in with her and then the town sign where she's living. I could not really focus my intent on just one thing, because this was all so fucking intense. This feeling of vibration or energy or just sheer force I expirienced at that time, just WOW. I felt like I was in one of these gravity training machines for astronauts, you know, where they are in this capsule and it just keeps spinning and spinning faster. But to me it felt like it was carrying me at light speed, then suddenly stopping complety to zero, then accelerating to light speed instantaneously again. Throwing me around, to the left, to the right, to the front. It felt so physical, I remember being a little bit scared that I really got thrown around in my bedroom at this moment (literally like in these horror movies where the demon possesed person gets dragged up the walls and ceiling LOL). I could not really see anything, well I saw something, but I can't recall it and put it in words now. Just this sheer energy force I suddenly felt was so fucking crazy. I haven't done a DMT trip yet, but when I think about all these breaktrough trip reports, where people speak about getting shot with fucking light speed into another dimension, I can't think of something more powerful than this energy, that I felt). When I think logically about it and think about what Robert Monroe talks about in his book it seems like the fact that I couldn't focus my mind on one particular thing was the problem here? First I thought about the girl just as a person, then about her room as a location, then about the town as a location...maybe that just got everything tangled up somehow? Because Monroe talks about just focussing the intent on the person we want to visit in an OOBE, nothing else. But I mean, this was so intense for me, I guess I just could not focus my mind really.

Really really intense expirience. Never felt such an energy and force in my whole life. Not in my heroic dose mushroom trips, not in my Salvia trips. This was really crazy. Oh my ******* lord.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23335447 - 06/12/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

So today, sunday morning, I tried to induce the OOBE right after waking up again. Laid on my back, completely relaxed my body, focused on breath and heartbeat. After some time I could feel the energy in my body more intense. And somewhere in between that time frame I could do some kind of motion, that lead me out of my body. There was a vibration before that, but by no means as intense as that thing I felt on friday. So somehow I did a motion, something like rolling to the front out of my bed, so that I would be right on the ground of my bedroom in front of the door. I knew I was "out of body" then and could go right through my bedroom door, fly downstairs, fly through the living room and go through the door, that leads to the backyard garden, where I would fly around for some time. Can't remember going back to my body in the bedroom. Then for a second time, I rolled out of my body, exactly like the first time, going through the bedroom door, flying downstairs and then going through the front door and flying in  the air to the window that leads to my bedroom, going through that and then being in my bedroom looking at the bed trying to see my physical body lying there. But all I could see was the blanked covered all over something, that really looked like a body. Like a dead body would look, that has been covered up with something. So I could not see my face, because the blanked covered it too. But as soon as stood besides the bed and looked at my body and then decided to go back to my physical body, I was back physically and could feel myself lying on my back. Wanting to go again 'ouf of body' I just stayed in that position on my back and then some interesting things started happening. Somehow lying there, I would do motions that felt like standing up and letting myself fall to the back or to the front, without any fear of damaging myself, so without trying to control the falldown with my arms or something like that, what would be a normal reflex in this reality to prevent physical damage to the body. I just let myself fall to the back or front and as soon as I hit the vertical position it felt like I landed on something real smooth or maybe something like water. Reminded me of Leonardo Dicaprio in the beginning of Inception where he sat on the stool and fell back into the bathtub. As soon as I landed I could feel a strong vibration in my whole body. Again, by no means comparable with the one on friday, but still an intense vibration going through the body.

I don't know if these expiriences today were just lucid dreams or real OOBE's. As I said in an earlier post, I already did this flying around the house and the near area thing a couple times in the past. Felt exactly like that, but there was no vibration in the past. I think I fell asleep to early, in the time I needed to relax my body and get it paralyzed. So the key part is to stay conscious the whole time and when the real OOBE vibration starts. It's really easy in the morning to relax the body when you wake up, but staying conscious is a little bit harder. Well, I guess practice creates masters. Either way, interesting expiriences again.

Looking forward for my first Salvia trips tonight and trying to figure out differences and/or similarities.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23339872 - 06/13/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, so yesterday I started my Salvia experiments. I didn't really smoke much, because I just wanted to find out, where and how the first effectswould kick in depending on the dosage. My scale isn't really good, it measures to 0,00g but I don't know, I think it's not really that accurate, because I can put more and more on it and it just won't change the weight.

So the first dose was really low. Felt nothing after smoking it. It's the 20x Sage Extract by the way and I smoke it through a glasspipe without water. My body measurements are: I'm about 6.0 feet and 183 pounds. Sat alone, quiet and with dim light in my living room on the floor. So I waited about 15-20 minutes before smoking the next hit. That time I kind of felt a memory of my trips last year when I got the smoke in my lungs, eyes closed and just waited for something to happen. The taste of the Salvia and the fact, that my heart was beating really fast and everything else kind of blacked out really reminded me of my previous two trips. Not much after that. Then I waited another 15-20 minutes and smoked my third hit. That time I really felt something. With closed eyes I could see and feel a kind of spinning object far away from me, that tried to come closer, but couldn't really do that. I remember this spinning wheel kind of object from my previous trips also. I remember it coming in from the distance, coming nearer and nearer and also getting louder and louder to the point that it would consume my whole vision/perception and then I would be suddenly sucked out of my body. Very interesting to play around with the low doses. I could feel a very smooth afterglow in the following 1-2 hours. Maybe I'll continue tonight or if not tomorrow.

Today in the morning, again I tried to induce the OOBE right after waking up, with the exception, that I had to go to the toilet first (which I did not do the last two times). I saw something, where they say that it is best to just wake up in the morning, at best not even open the eyes and just lay on the back. So I laid on my back, focussed on breath and heartbeat again, hypnagogic images came and the body got really relaxed and numb, but the vibrations would not come. I stayed like this for some more time, but it just would not happen. Hopefully next time.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23346800 - 06/15/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Hey! The last two days I tried again inducing the OOBE after waking up in the morning, but it didn't really work. I have to admit my intent/focus wasn't really strong or on point enough I would say. But I'm gonna stick to it and keep trying.

So, about one hour ago I had two more Salvia expiriences. I made some notes on my mobile, right after and I'm gonna present them to you just as raw as they are:

15.06.16
Salvia 1st expirience:
smoked a really tiny amount
laid back on my bed
closed eyes with smoke in the lungs and relaxed
a cold "atmosphere" would emerge on me
something spinning with beings on it
it spins before my consciousnes
scenes of different beings/worlds pass by I can hear 'them' talk but can't remember what they said
a scene of something like a mid age town with a male and a female person standing on a street (market type) - the male person having some kind of jester look
I knew who and where I was the whole time but it already got to the point where normal reality got slippery
my horizontal position of lying on the bed would be somehow different to the realities that passed my consciousnes with closed eyes (strange feeling)
really good starting dose
the two most rememerable things were the cold atmosphere that was emerging me and the realities spinning by myself, which I know would be much stronger felt with higher dosage - it was like these other realities coming in with a "stutter" - somehow connected to my hearbeat, like with every beat the effects would come stuttering in more and more
tripping time about two minutes
used a butane lighter with the hot blue flame

2nd expirience:

smoke the same amount or a little bit less about 10-15 minutes later
salvia is a strange animal
it feels like reality changes inside your head/imagination somehow, but then somehow outside of your head starts to make less and less sense like the connection between the two inside and outside is not coherent anymore - I could feel my body still laying down and being kind of the captain/boss of this consciousnes and hear the birds chirping outside but there was a difference a strange feeling when observing the salvia effects kick - its like at first you can just feel how your inner imagination with closed eyes gets "highjacked" by salvia but then somehow it feels like it wants to overlay your whole consciousnes to the point where it just consumes you like a predator with a big mouth (doesn't feel negative but unknown and for sure it's very trippy how it does that)

Here is a pic of the dosage, so that you know how little it really was:



It's again the 20x extract. For me it's perfect, because I don't really smoke and I can't hit the pipe that hard. Think I'm gonna switch to the 40x extract eventually, it's just easier for me to hit less smoke, but have more Salvinorin-A in it.

So, two really interesting expiriences. Really kind of "proud", because there was this kind of anxiety and hesitation before hitting the pipe, but I think that will never go away! Certainly not when I'm going for higher doses the next time :smile: I'm gonna do some more later today or tomorrow and use this thread as the diary to my experiments.

Cheers

EDIT: the effects always seem to come in from the right point of my vision and then coming more to the center with this kind of stutter movement I described


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23350594 - 06/16/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I can add my first and strongest experience with salvia. I had an entire glass bowls worth of 10 x through a bowl.  (Maybe .3 grams since it's so fluffy) I was holding it in and then when I counted to 30 I could not longer hold it and at this point I felt the first effects. The exhaling of the smoke was perceived as the sensation of strong laughter which felt very odd as I don't think I laughed at all.

This was immediately followed by a strong physical perception (meaning I could feel now me sitting on a pyramid like object or least pointy and being shot up through the sky up to the clouds, fully feeling the wind and everything while traveling) of being shot into the sky.

After a brief look around and only seeing blue sky and clouds briefly I was back in my buddies back yard. Thought I was back to baseline and came back in and sat on the couch and began to tell him what just occurred.


It was then that I noticed he had a concern look on his face. (Turns out I wasn't saying one word in reality even though in my head I was). I began to experience strong "rope pull" on my shoulder coming from the couch.


When I did muster the strength to look what was holding me. I didn't see anything physically attached although I felt it as if it were. What I did see was an oval black portal swirling object coming from the direction of the rope.

Not sure if this applies but man this experience sticks out very vividly among all my psychedelic years. One of the only ones that had such distinguishable physical teleportation and sensations

Salvia has the unique effect on me that each time I have done it I'll pick up mid sentence in thought were my trip crashed last time. So odd .

As for the extract. I hear some sites are misleading and use junk science to bolster up weaker extracts as 40x for example.- after all it all depends on methodology and how you divide it.

Definitely try it without water filtration and use a butane torch wind resistant lighter. Hold it in as long as you can. And if that doesn't work try a new supplier bc I blasted off with that.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: PaulyAnna]
    #23354500 - 06/17/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)


An OBE you're in control so long as you can stay focused and control your thoughts; that realm being immediately thought governed.




The one and only time i've tried salvia was the most intense experience of my life. It was a spur of the moment that I even decided to try it. A friend came over one day with 60x and packed a huge bowl to rip out a nice straight tube. I had heard about the effects of salvia before but man... I didn't know I was about to be blasted off into a ANOTHER DIMENSION!

It must of been .4g that I smoked. I took it all in one breath and held it in for 30 sec like I was instructed. By the time I was exhaling it was becoming difficult to stand, my legs felt like noodles and I fell onto my bed. The transition into my OBE was very abrupt.

Unknowingly at the time I began to fractal into my closet as my face and the rest of my body slowly melted away from my existence only to be left with my consciousness. I was blasting through a wormhole. It looked similar to this with the exception of gridded lines instead of numbers. These lines would open up and I would see recollections of past memories from my childhood as I was passing through. Because of how fast and abrupt the transition into this reality was, I had completely forgotten I smoked salvia. I began to accept that I was dying and this was the transition into the spirit realm.

During the middle of the trip I tried to go into one of these slits, it seemed like another dimension separate from the wormhole I was flying through. I reached for it but my friends later told me that I was attempting to stand up in real life and because they kept me grounded I was never able to see into the 'other side'. I kept going through this wormhole for what seemed like an half hour.

After I came down my buddy told me he had never seen anyone react that hard to salvia. My OBE lasted for a full 10 minutes. The entire world melted away... :letyourspiritsoar:



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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Crixalis]
    #23355213 - 06/17/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thank you for your input Maroon and Crixalis. Very interesting reports from both of you. I did not have the time to do more Salvia in the last days, but today I had a really nice 7.5g psilocybin truffles trip. Really felt the urge to undergo a medium psilocybin trance to reflect on some things in my life with another perspective and it's just so nice. Hope to smoke some Salvia again on sunday!

One more thing @Maroon&Crixalis:

I think both of you smoked way too much. Plus for both of you it was the first time you smoked it. That's just a recipe for desaster. But I guess, you guys already know that :smile: Like I said, I think it's so crucial to start with a very low threshhold dose with Salvia and work your way up. Observe what's going on, do it some more times and then when you begin to feel fine with the effects, smoke a little bit more. Document everything through out the trips and try to analyze the expiriences intelectually as much as it is possible. Some time ago I also had the opinion, that you have to do really big amounts of psychedelics and go really far no matter what, to gain really big insights, but I don't think that's true. Starting low - observing a level of expirience - then when feeling comfortable with a certain level up the dosage and go a little bit deeper. That way, I think one can gain so much more insight and connect the dots through out a lot of trips. It's just like when you do weight lifting, you can't start with 250lbs benchpress, if you have never trained for that. Slowly work your way up, and it's just logical, that that is also the way for psychdelic expiriences and everything else in life.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23360194 - 06/19/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Holy shit...that 2nd expirience....

19.06

1st Salvia expirience:

same amount as last time
its always about something spinning
it starts spinning
again I felt presences
two presences which can be described as women with clean or dirty laundry in baskets
the two women had a friendly relationship to each other
they were kind of like talking to each other - having a discussion/talk aboutsomething - somehow I felt like they can feel my presence and they refer something in their talk to me - all the time there was this spinning motion felt
it was like this other reality was being placed upon me, upon my normal reality and this is confusing because the angle in which the other reality is perceived is somehow strange in comparism to the normal reality, which started to make less sense or something like this reality is part of the other reality I perceived - like this reality gets sucked into the other reality or it feels like the trip reality wants to replace the actual one I'm in now, but in a really strange way
the trip was not really visual - it was more feeling based - the presences I felt, what they talked about (somehow they talked about me I felt) - the scene was like a garden with the laundry hanging on lines and they were collecting the clothes from the lines and meeting each other in the garden, maybe they were neighbours
like I said not really visual, most of the time it was like black visually seen
tripping time about 3 minutes
20x

2nd Salvia expirience:

10-15 minutes later
20x again
tripping time about 4 minutes
upped the dose a little bit
nice and long inhalation and keeping of the smoke
eyes closed the whole trip - having some kind of "urge" to open them from time to time in the trip but could consciously resist that
laying down on my back breathing out the smoke IT COMES ON INSTANTLY
WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT
I waited for the spinning thing but somehow instantly I was in this other world
I was not in it - somehow I was it??
people walking over me, beside me??
one guy I would identify as a neighbour from the real world (I'm not really sure now, but somehow I can remember his face?) - he somehow came up to me and started rolling me up or something like that??? - that's the first thing I can actually remember - he wore some kind of white work coat or something like that
from that moment on I can't really remember or describe with words now
positive vibe throughout the whole trip though
It felt like there were a lot of presences - they were busy - like preparing something or working on something - this something somehow involved me in a strange way - like they were working ON ME
like I said, positive playful vibe the whole trip - like they were doing something with me but actually playing with me in a weird way?
the angles again made no real sense, they would change from vertical to horizontal throughout the trip
absolutely no feeling of anxiety or fear - the opposite - somewhere in the middle of the trip I remember actually starting to smile and wanting to laugh about everything that happend and still was happening
WOW - I upped the dosage really just a fucking tiny amount and I'm really blown by the expirience - I mean I was goooone - I could remember my body and my reality and that I just smoked Salvia when the trip reached ~ 2 minutes I would say, but still absolutely mindfucked and amazed what just went down

What the fuck is this stuff? I mean really - it's the weirdest thing one could ever imagine. But somehow this feels meaningful, like it belongs to what we call reality in some weird way. As weird as it is, it actually does not feel that foreign to me, again in some very weird way. Man...


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23363575 - 06/20/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Roli said:

What the fuck is this stuff? I mean really - it's the weirdest thing one could ever imagine. But somehow this feels meaningful, like it belongs to what we call reality in some weird way. As weird as it is, it actually does not feel that foreign to me, again in some very weird way. Man...




The craziest thing about salvia space is that it feels 100x more real than this reality. Everytime I smoke it I see how stupidly obvious it is that this reality is a total sham. Everything rolls up like a scroll or closes like a pop-up book in which the pages of my life are no longer flipping fast enough to create the illusion of being a human on earth, and I am "home."
The salvia trip, probably moreso than the dmt trip, is the OBE. The universally experienced zipper and wheel on salvia are also common experiences for the astral projector who does not use salvia.

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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: mt cleverest]
    #23364264 - 06/20/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Very interesting mt cleverest! Indeed, the salvia space, as soon as it hits you completely, feels so more real than this reality. In the first three expiriences I had lately, I wasn't gone completely, but in the last one, man...I was gone. I made a picture of the amount I smoked, but I forgot to post it here, look:



It's the 20x again. I just have to laugh, when I think about all these guys on Youtube and whatnot, who smoke like literally 5-10 times of that amount, even with higher extracts and then being mindfucked for the rest of their life and not ever wanting to touch that substance again :laugh:

It's really crazy. I mean, look how tiny this amount is. It's probably 0,015g-0,02g I would say. The key is to take it in one nice toke, keeping it in for a good 20 seconds, while already laying on your back and having your eyes cosed. Then, when you exhale it is there immediately. Also, with Salvia there is this thing called reverse tolerance, which one certainly should be aware of.

So the last time I was waiting for the spinning thing, but really I was gone from one microsecond to the next without any precursor. My room, my bed, my body...nothing was there anymore. I wasn't even aware, that nothing was there anymore. It was just like, yeah thats how it is, no rememberance of anything from two seconds earlier. From that point on, I was just observing these presences being busy with something, that involved me. It was like, in a factory, where there is a sequence with different steps to complete a product. Somehow it felt like I was the product, that has to be finished and these presences were doing the necessary work on me.

There is absolutely no thought involved in the whole Salvia expirience. It's like thought is completely gone. There is just pure observation. That's the strange thing, because in OOBE's they tell you, that everything in the OOBE realm is somehow thought-governed?! You think about a certain spot or person in order to travel to that spot. As I said, with Salvia everything is gone within a microsecond if you hit the right amount. It's really hard for me to remember the trips vidily at this moment, but I hope and think, that with more expiriences I will be able to go deeper and connect some dots. One more thing I remember is the cartoonish style of the expirience.

Sadly I caught a cold/fever yesterday night, and there will be some days in between till I can continue, but I'm already pumped to go again.


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Re: Salvia Divinorum & Astral Projection [Re: Roli]
    #23364717 - 06/20/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I just had a fairly interesting thought:

So isn't all identification always thought-based? Is there any identification in our lifes in this reality, that is not based on a particular thought or thought-pattern or conditioning, which is basically just thoughts hammered in your consciousnes over and over again. I can't think of any identification working outside the realm of thought. So I came to the conclusion, that Salvia might be really good for people, who are heavily identified with their thoughts and minds and everything that comes out of it. I guess I am the best example for a constantly working mind and identifying with most of the thoughts that are coming up. Well, at least most of my life and especially in the last years of my life, which caused suffering on a big scale for me. Salvia is basically wiping away every thought and therefore every identification, you've ever had in your life from one second to the next. I don't know, but for me this is somehow a very comforting, blissful yet super strange state of being and I will investigate if that stillness, or thoughtless awareness will find it's way more into my regular day-to-day life.



Basically what he says is, that you can't get to truth with any kind of identifications, right? At least, this is what modern religions or sects stand for, heavy conditioning. Salvia seems like a pathless land for me right now.


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